What is the proper Christian response to a homosexual?

[EnemyPartyII]

Sure..lets try this again. Homosexuals should be treated exactly the way you would treat anyone else in your life. Why would u ever think you should treat us differently? I dont treat heterosexuals having premarital sex one way and others another...it's all insignificant.

I reiterate my initial post... one shouldn't worry about how one treats homosexuals, any more than one should worry about how one treats heterosexuals... one should worry about how one treats PEOPLE

 

[Polycarp1]

Bingo.

"Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it unto Me."

"Judge not, lest you be judged. For with the measure by which you judge another, you yourself will be judged."

If I were a person whose sins had been forgiven by God and inclined to trot out Bible verses taken to condemn homosexual people in support of treating them differently than other Christians, I would be very concerned about those passages -- even if told by the Pope, the President of the Southern Baptist Convention, or the televangelist of my choice that they are grounds for condemning gays.

There is One who is our judge -- and He held none of the above jobs. His words are written for all to read. And it is to His service, under His Lordship, that we are all called.

Berean Todd, a word: I will not condemn your allegiance to Scripture. But the old bit about it being "rightly divided" is one I think we can both agree on. Therefore, I encourage you to look carefully into the 3rd chapter of II Timothy, particularly verses 15-18, which incorporate the verse you quoted above -- using, if possible, a good literal translation of Paul's intricate syntax. Because frankly that verse does not say what you're taking it to mean, in isolation. What it does say is something important in itself, with reference to how a Christian should regard the Old Testament. But it does not say "all the Bible is inerrantly inspired" as Paul wrote it. Please do not take my word for this nor reject it, but prove it out for yourself, as a Berean ought to do. Thanks!

 

[HexenHammer]

"Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it unto Me."

Jesus isn't talking about homosexuals in this passage.

That you would missapply such a beatiful piece of scripture to abominations is truly sad!

 

[MyHeart07]

I would remind the above poster that Christ himself never mentioned homosexuality!

Wait a second....Christ said plenty about homosexuality because Christ is God. ("I and the Father are One" and "Before Abraham was, I AM")

I wish people would stop and remember that...

He condemns it, He hates it, it is an abomination to Him. This is precisely why He came to earth. To save us from these sins...Praise His Name. We are all sinners and I am no better than a homosexual, but through His blood I can be washed clean from all my sins.

 

[HexenHammer]

We are all sinners and I am no better than a homosexual,

Don't EVER say that about yourself!

 

[MyHeart07]

Don't EVER say that about yourself!

why not?


Sin is sin in God's eyes...it makes no difference. I am a saved sinner.

 

[HexenHammer]

why not?


Sin is sin in God's eyes...it makes no difference. I am a saved sinner.

Then you aren't an abomination to God. Homosexuals are, and whats worse, is they seek others to join their sinful ways!

 

[MyHeart07]

Then you aren't an abomination to God. Homosexuals are, and whats worse, is they seek others to join their sinful ways!

If the lifesyle continues unrepentent then yes, I agree. It is an abomination.

 

[Brieuse]

Then you aren't an abomination to God. Homosexuals are, and whats worse, is they seek others to join their sinful ways!

Wow!, I bet God is reading this post and shaking his head. Homosexuals are not an abomination. Finished and klaar.

BTW, we are not seeking others to join our ways. Unlike you we realise that orientation is unchangeable. Why try change a heterosexual to a homosexual?

 

[SallyNow]

Then you aren't an abomination to God. Homosexuals are, and whats worse, is they seek others to join their sinful ways!

Okay, which is it: do homosexuals claim that it is not a choice, or do they claim that it is a choice and they can recruit others into it?

Homosexuality is not a choice. And, while it does say in the Old Testament that it is an abomination, those laws were abolished between 30-34 AD.

 

[BereanTodd]

Okay, which is it: do homosexuals claim that it is not a choice, or do they claim that it is a choice and they can recruit others into it?

Homosexuality is not a choice. And, while it does say in the Old Testament that it is an abomination, those laws were abolished between 30-34 AD.

The Levitical laws may or may not have been abolished, however the NT ALSO clearly speaks of the sinfulness of homosexuality, and it came along after 34 AD.

 

[SallyNow]

Double Post. Ooopsie.

 

[SallyNow]

The Levitical laws may or may not have been abolished, however the NT ALSO clearly speaks of the sinfulness of homosexuality, and it came along after 34 AD.

Certain translations cleary talk about it. It is up for debate whether the original meaning, in the original context, was in fact a prohibition for homosexual sex, or a prohibition against cult prostitutes, adultery, pagan rituals, and so on. It is also unclear whether those prohibitions were tageted only at the specific cultures and societies they were written in/sent to, or to all audiences.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Jesus isn't talking about homosexuals in this passage.

That you would missapply such a beatiful piece of scripture to abominations is truly sad!

This passages talks very much to the subject of homosexuals. Actually I can think of no better metaphor for how some Christians deal with or react to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters.

You ignore, dismiss, condemn, attack an entire minority based on nothing but your own prejudices and then claim righteous about such actions...that is what is truely sad

 

[BigBadWlf]

The Levitical laws may or may not have been abolished, however the NT ALSO clearly speaks of the sinfulness of homosexuality, and it came along after 34 AD.

May or may not?

Do you shave?
Do you wear clothing made of mixed fabrics?
Do you allow people to wear glasses in your church?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Then you aren't an abomination to God. Homosexuals are, and whats worse, is they seek others to join their sinful ways!

just as eating shellfish is an abomination….


Proverbs lists some other abominations:

These six things doth the LORD hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19

Who can claim innocence from all these "abominations"?
You display pride and arrogance when you dispense judgment onto an entire minority

Proverbs 3: 31-32 lists the oppressive treatment of others as an abomination as well and there is nothing more oppressive or hateful than using the bible to justify hate.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Yeah I love it when people jump on the Leviticus rant, and try to say that the scriptures about homosexuality don't count, because people eat shell fish, etc. They don't bother pointing out how the list of things they throw out are no longer in affect, because like as Jesus stated, all foods are ok/not unclean. Or that the Priest wore the mixed fabric clothings, so others weren't to wear them. Or, Or, Or...............................​

Honestly, how can anyone think that those points hold some cancellation affect on the sin of homosexuality. Or that if eating shell fish was still wrong, and eating it would mean that we can't say something else is a sin also.​

Just because someone tells a lie doesn't mean that they can't say that murder is a sin and if those that sin (which is everyone) don't confess and repent of their sins they won't go to heaven.​

Telling someone that homosexuality is a sin, and showing how the Bible states that murderers, liars, adultery, etc. will not inherit the Kingdom of God is just that. It is showing what the word of God tells us we need to know.​

So if someone murdered someone, would showing them how what they did was wrong, was a sin, am I condemning them? Or am I trying to save them from a life in hell? If I show them how the Lord considers what they did, and what I have done is a sin while showing them how because of all our sins Jesus died for us to save us....................this is wrong huh? This is condemning them?​

Well I guess in one way it is, but it isn't me condemning them. The word of God says what we have to do to take away the condemnation that we deserve, IF NOT FOR THE LORD. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!!​

you didn't actually address the excellent point made about how some people pick and choose from Leviticus in order to justify their own personal prejudice and why that practice is acceptable.

 

[MyHeart07]

Wow!, I bet God is reading this post and shaking his head. Homosexuals are not an abomination. Finished and klaar.

BTW, we are not seeking others to join our ways. Unlike you we realise that orientation is unchangeable. Why try change a heterosexual to a homosexual?

I never said that homosexuals were an abomination. The sin of homosexuality is.

Okay, which is it: do homosexuals claim that it is not a choice, or do they claim that it is a choice and they can recruit others into it?

Homosexuality is not a choice. And, while it does say in the Old Testament that it is an abomination, those laws were abolished between 30-34 AD.

Sorry. Nope. It's still is an abomination.

Jesus said Himself that He came to this earth to fulfill the law, not to abolish it.

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the laws of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"

 

[UberLutheran]

you didn't actually address the excellent point made about how some people pick and choose from Leviticus in order to justify their own personal prejudice and why that practice is acceptable.

Perhaps I can help: none of the rules in Leviticus (or the second half of Exodus, or Numbers, or Deuteronomy) apply to Christians — except the ones about homosexuality.

So, if one commits adultery, or has sex with an (opposite-sex) relative, or works on the Sabbath, or lies about someone (especially if that lie gets someone fired, or ruins a relationship, or gets someone thrown in jail) — THESE kinds of sins "don't count"; or if they DO count, they're just "little, bitty sins" but certainly not as serious as the damnable sin of homosexuality.

The correct terminology for this is, "complete and utter hypocrisy" but heterosexual, conservative Christians hate having that word applied to them, so we'll just call it a "little, bitty sin".

 

[BereanTodd]

Certain translations cleary talk about it. It is up for debate whether the original meaning, in the original context, was in fact a prohibition for homosexual sex, or a prohibition against cult prostitutes, adultery, pagan rituals, and so on. It is also unclear whether those prohibitions were tageted only at the specific cultures and societies they were written in/sent to, or to all audiences.

Wrong, SOME of the passages may be up for debate, but Romans 1 is actually quite clear and forceful in its assertions.