LesleyDuckworth
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She married Christ, had kids, and their descendants live in France?
Rick! This is not the Bible! It is the Da Vinci Code! lol
You people really have no shame do you?
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She married Christ, had kids, and their descendants live in France?"Helped out financially with Jesus' ministry??" That's new one for me, but don't want to get into what is being taught out there in Bible Schools etc. Most definately Mary Magdaline was there for the cruicifixation of CHrist, and the first to bear witness to the empty tomb when Jesus ressurected. While she was never called a "prostitute" she was referred to as with with "questionable character". Through all the interpretations, she has now been referred to simply "the prostitute". Of course, there are those that say she married Chrsit, had kids, their relatives living in France....let's just not go there.
I was not bashing you for your beliefs, I simply making a comment. Being from the Bible Belt, and being a fundie, you can not see how it looks to those on the outside looking in. Of course there are those that fit the entire spectrum. As you know, it is the frindge that gets the attention, and as such, it is the fundamentalist "frindge" that has given fundamentalists the bad name. If you were to meet an Islamic and they told you they were a fundamentalist...how would you react? Perhaps not as violent, but Christian fundamentalist, by it's true definition, and by the very definitoin in this forum, is a militant orthadox. Those "3 things" in and of themselves are not shocking nor necessary bad. One can totally believe in the fundamental teachings of the Bible, and be conservative, and be in the Bible Belt...It is when those three positions are taken to an exteme, and then those extremes hijack what they were originally meant to be, is when it is a bit of an issue. Unfortunately, being on the outside looking in, reading many of these posts, etc..I would have to say that you sound more tolerant than most.
Hi. I would first like to say that in no way do I dislike or judge homosexuals (hate the sin, love the sinner). I show them love. I try to to let them see Jesus when they talk to me.
That being said, homosexuality is quite clearly a sin and an abomination in God's eyes. There is plenty of Scripture to support this throughout the entire Bible.
Some parts of the Book of Romans come to mind for me right now:
Rom 1:21
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23
and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Rom 1:24
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen.
Rom 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
Rom 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God‑haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
Rom 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Considering homosexuality is deviation from heterosexuality it's not the same.Boy -- am I ever glad that heterosexuals don't do any of these things!
Where would society be if heterosexuals were like that?
I'm not up on Mary Magdelane, so I can't really comment on her at all other than the briefs things I said. I didn't start the thread...I just added to it. Was she a prostitute....who knows. By the standards 2000 years ago, she could have been. I have no idea. "Questionable character" could have simply meant that maybe she worked on the Sabbath...who knows. What's a great point though is look how through translation she is known as a "prostitute". Questionable Character = prostitute? Says who? The ones teaching the Bible. She is known as that, and quite possibly never even was. But for those that say the bible is infallible and correct and should be taken at face value, then they're the ones that would have the problem. Most others probably wouldn't see it as an issue at all.Luke 8:1-3
And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
2And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, 3And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.
Haven't been to any Bible Schools, and again I would have to ask why that would be bad if I had?
Mary Magdalene is a primarily Christian figure who is mentioned several times in areas of significance in the New Testament Gospels. Her identity is often conflated with those of other women, which may have led to her faulty identification as a reformed prostitute.
Mary Magdalene
Meet the real friend and follower of Jesus.
by Liz Curtis Higgs
Was she the wife of Jesus, the mother of his children, or the Holy Grail, as The Da Vinci Code claims? Or the repentant prostitute of Jesus Christ Superstar, throwing herself at the Master's feet and singing, "I Don't Know How to Love Him"?
According to Scripture, Mary Magdalene was none of the above.
If you would have checked the links you would have seen that this info was gotten from them and from reading the bible, which you can do without going to Bible School.
Yes, she was there at the crucifixion and she was at the empty tomb after Jesus was ressurected.
There are other pages which come right out and tell how it has been erroniously thought that she was a prostitute and/or had a questionable background or questionable character as you call it. If you have scriptures or other articles that tell of this questionable character I would love to study them, Thanks.
Tolerant?
I call, what I believe a sin is, a sin and I will not sugarcoat it so as not to step on toes, but in stating those things I have to remember that we all are sinners. That we all have sinned and will sin again till we are totally changed at our death or His return. In doing this I have been called a hater, bigot, etc.
I also believe that it is my duty to speak the truth as I know it, and to plant seeds for the Holy Spirit to harvest for the Kingdom of God. I won't stop doing that because someone calls me names or gets upset, unless I am led to stop by the Lord. I left this forum several weeks ago because we were just saying the same thing over and over again. We were attacking eachother and not the subject/homosexuality, and that is wrong and gets us nowhere. IMO.
Anyhow I just stopped by to see if anything new was going on, and I see that it isn't. I noticed your post about Mary Magdalene and since I had just studied about her, on my own, using the Bible and on-line sites, I thought I would post some of what I found and how most scholars now believe she was not a prostitute.
Good Day All.
Considering homosexuality is deviation from heterosexuality it's not the same.
Lesley,Rick, Rick, Rick...
I am a Christian and I am from the bible belt! Personally, I can't see how you people claim to be Christians yet are so disrespectful to God's word.
As the old joke goes,
God made Adam & Eve
He DID NOT make Adam & Steve.....
Do you think that God actually made sex for two men? Please don't tell me your thinking has gotten that warped!
What would I ever do if I had a child that was homosexual? I'd cry probably till my deathbed! But I would not let them corrupt me and stop me from getting to heaven, same as I will not let this group trying to disrupt these forums.
I think there is some major spiritual warfare going on within your souls, those of you who seem to think it is ok to have sex with your same gender. It is sick! The scripture clearly says that those people will NOT go to heaven. The Bible says it Rick! I didn't make the rules!
God did!
I'm not up on Mary Magdelane, so I can't really comment on her at all other than the briefs things I said. I didn't start the thread...I just added to it. Was she a prostitute....who knows. By the standards 2000 years ago, she could have been. I have no idea. "Questionable character" could have simply meant that maybe she worked on the Sabbath...who knows. What's a great point though is look how through translation she is known as a "prostitute". Questionable Character = prostitute? Says who? The ones teaching the Bible. She is known as that, and quite possibly never even was. But for those that say the bible is infallible and correct and should be taken at face value, then they're the ones that would have the problem. Most others probably wouldn't see it as an issue at all.
People seem to forget something very critical about the Bible. MAN wrote it, not Christ himself. While they are inspired men of God...look at all the inspiration people on this website have. What if they were to gather in a new form, and put out the next edition of the NIV or KJV? God only knows what it would say. (no pun intended)
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Translations have nothing to do with the errors of the many Marys, so there is no point made here.
She is never called a questionable character in the Bible, if you would read some of the links given, and or if you like I can give you the 14 verses she is mentioned in the 4 gospels. The Bible has it right and it is a misunderstanding by us that have people believing she was a prostitute. Someone said it and that made it so, she is also confused as the one who put the perfume on Jesus, and some think she was Martha and Lazarus sisters.
I prefer to read the scriptures myself and pray for understanding. I will listen and consider what a preacher or teacher says, but I don't take their word for it. I guess that is what makes some of us different.
Why would there need to be a next edition? The scriptures were written to give us the knowledge of how life began and then take us through to the end. They are not just some next edition. They are .......................................nevermind if I have to explain what the word of God is and why well..........
Good Day
You know as well as I know that its mentioned in the Old and New Testament. I'm sure you've read the scriptures 100 times.
Homosexual sex and Homosexuality is different? Come on and give me a break here! You are twisting things around to make yourself feel better.
Facts are its a sin.
I read that sin should not be something that Christians tolerate, but something that they speak out against.
You know its wrong. You know that the Bible which is God's word...
...unless you'd like to go against that too says that homosexuality is an abomination of God.
Very conciliatory, Polycarp, you read one post out-of-context, then get on my case, evidently, without knowing, or caring, what has been discussed before, not even in this thread, let alone other threads in this sub forum.Good. You've made your position clear. By the logic you use, no repentance and no forgiveness is possible, any temptation to sin (by your definition of sin) is grounds for barring someone from church permanently.
I've done those studies. I've reviewed the Scriptures. I do not buy the most extreme positions that apologists for homosexuality take on them. But I agree with the majority of Biblical critics and scholars that they are not as clearcut as your post suggests.
And your post sounds like a hatemongering abuse of the Gospel in support of evil. Since it "walks like a duck and quacks like a duck"....
Matthew 7:2 and 7:12 -- enjoy being hoist with your own petard. (And you can thank me; better that I make that judgment than that the Lord do so at the last judgment; see Matthew 9:13 and 25:31-46.)
[SIZE=-1]Your points are all right on target which itself goes to show you what gets "lost in translation". As for the "next editon", I'll enlighten you since I assume you to believe that the Bible you are using now was written that way it appears, back in the time of the the apostles (NT) and the times of Moses (OT).
What you are reading now was in fact written in 1966 by a group of Christian leaders that formed a council in Chicago and drew their conclusions. The group, though not made up of official church representatives, was transdenominational. It was then delegated by the Palo Heights group to a self-governing body of 15. The body was made up of Anglican, Assemblies of God, Baptist, Brethren, Christian Reformed, Church of Christ, Evangelical Free, Lutheran, Mennonites, Methodists, Nazarene, Presbyterian, and Wesleyan (hmmm...where were the Catholics??..not sure). Their work then went to the General Editorial Committees, who then put it through more revisions. These revisions then went to be reviewed by The Committee on Bible Translations which then made further changes, and then was finally released for publication. In short, the BIble went through 3 revisions and examined for it's "English style". If you read the preface to your Bible, all of this is in there, with the final note of .... "it is believed that it contans the divine answers to the deepest needs of humanity, that is sheds unique light on our path in a dark world, and sets forth our way to eternal well-being." In 1973 the NIV was finally published as you see it today. SInce then, numerous revisions have been received from various sources. They are carefully considered by the Committee and a number of them were adopted and in 1983 appeared in printings after that date. The final entry in the Bible preface clearly states...and I quote.... "LIKE ALL TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE, THEY ARE MADE BY IMPERFECT MAN...."
So in short, this is what you are reading. It is living book that has been revised and will no doubt be revised again.[/SIZE]
the bible contains three hundred and sixty two instances where it declarers heterosexual sex a sin. if as you attest there is not difference between sexual orientation and sexual actions then all heterosexuals are destined for hell good news for the bisexuals I guess.You know as well as I know that its mentioned in the Old and New Testament. I'm sure you've read the scriptures 100 times.
Homosexual sex and Homosexuality is different? Come on and give me a break here! You are twisting things around to make yourself feel better. Whatever...
Facts are its a sin. I read that sin should not be something that Christians tolerate, but something that they speak out against.
but then...so is eating shellfishYou know its wrong. You know that the Bible which is God's word unless you'd like to go against that too says that homosexuality is an abomination of God.
It is what it is.
Ahh...the old if one can't justify prejudice any other way just use an old cliché ployRick, Rick, Rick...
I am a Christian and I am from the bible belt! Personally, I can't see how you people claim to be Christians yet are so disrespectful to God's word.
As the old joke goes,
God made Adam & Eve
He DID NOT make Adam & Steve.....
Do you think that God actually made sex for two men? Please don't tell me your thinking has gotten that warped!
What would I ever do if I had a child that was homosexual? I'd cry probably till my deathbed! But I would not let them corrupt me and stop me from getting to heaven, same as I will not let this group trying to disrupt these forums.
I think there is some major spiritual warfare going on within your souls, those of you who seem to think it is ok to have sex with your same gender. It is sick! The scripture clearly says that those people will NOT go to heaven. The Bible says it Rick! I didn't make the rules!
God did!
so you take delight in the condemning of an entire minority to hell based on nothing but your demand that God hate the same people that you have chosen to hate.Do you believe that homosexuals have a place in heaven? I don't and the Bible in fact, says that!
Snicker at that all you want dear! You'll not be snickering on judgement day!
hundreds of peer reviewed studies showing that sexual orientation is inborn and a complete lack of ANY evidence showing that sexual orientation is learned, a choice, and/or the result of childhood experience is not shaky by any honest person's standards.It doesn't matter if there is a "gay gene" or not, whether there is a biological disposition or not. First off, the evidence for that is extremely shaky - in fact nearly non-existant.
That aside it does matter. To condemn an entire minority just because they are a minority makes the position of conservative Christians no different from racism.But guess what? For the sake of this discussion, I'll even grant you this point. For the purpose of our discussion here the "gay gene" does exist, and there is a biological disposition.
So what? Whether some are biologically pre-disposed to it or not, gay sex is still a sin. There are some people who are biologically succeptable to becoming alchoholics, that does not make drunkeness not a sin.
I have a very ballanced view of homosexuality, I have gay friends who know my position even. I show love to everyone, or do my best to at least. I support gay marriage, I welcome gays to attend my churches.
But the Bible is unambiguous, and it is God's Word.
Do you believe that homosexuals have a place in heaven? I don't and the Bible in fact, says that!
Snicker at that all you want dear! You'll not be snickering on judgement day!
Mary Magdalene is often referred to as a prostitute, but she was never called one in the New Testament. , "Migdal was a fishing town known, or so the legend goes, for its perhaps punning connection to hairdressers (medgaddlela) and women of questionable reputation. This is as close as we get to any clear evidence that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute"
Your points are all right on target which itself goes to show you what gets "lost in translation". As for the "next editon", I'll enlighten you since I assume you to believe that the Bible you are using now was written that way it appears, back in the time of the the apostles (NT) and the times of Moses (OT).
What you are reading now was in fact written in 1966 by a group of Christian leaders that formed a council in Chicago and drew their conclusions. The group, though not made up of official church representatives, was transdenominational. It was then delegated by the Palo Heights group to a self-governing body of 15. The body was made up of Anglican, Assemblies of God, Baptist, Brethren, Christian Reformed, Church of Christ, Evangelical Free, Lutheran, Mennonites, Methodists, Nazarene, Presbyterian, and Wesleyan (hmmm...where were the Catholics??..not sure). Their work then went to the General Editorial Committees, who then put it through more revisions. These revisions then went to be reviewed by The Committee on Bible Translations which then made further changes, and then was finally released for publication. In short, the BIble went through 3 revisions and examined for it's "English style". If you read the preface to your Bible, all of this is in there, with the final note of .... "it is believed that it contans the divine answers to the deepest needs of humanity, that is sheds unique light on our path in a dark world, and sets forth our way to eternal well-being." In 1973 the NIV was finally published as you see it today. SInce then, numerous revisions have been received from various sources. They are carefully considered by the Committee and a number of them were adopted and in 1983 appeared in printings after that date. The final entry in the Bible preface clearly states...and I quote.... "LIKE ALL TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE, THEY ARE MADE BY IMPERFECT MAN...."
So in short, this is what you are reading. It is living book that has been revised and will no doubt be revised again.
Would I justify and advocate discrimination against you prevent you form having equal rights and legal protections?If I was a liar and a chronic one at that, would you as my brother of sister in Christ come to me as the Bible says to?
Would you lift me up in your prayers?
Would you show me how the Bible says that it is a sin and what that sin does?
If I was like this before I ask the Lord to save me, and in fact said that it wasn't a sin and needed no forgiveness would I really be saved?
If someone ask others who profess to be Christians if I can be saved while refusing to admit this sin, are they being judgemental?
Would I then be able to call anyone who did the above a hater and bigot for doing them?
Would I be able to say that they aren't showing the love of Christ because of their actions?
And if I took the time I could dig up something about the histories acceptance of racism by Christians.You have know idea how many or what Bibles, commentaries, websites, etc., that I read and/or study from. So again you are assuming that since I live in the bible belt, believe the Bible is infallible and without err, and that I am a conservative that I am reading certain things.
Believe it or not I use the brain God gave me, and study Greek translations and many other. I look back and see what the ancients taught, and again don't just take a preachers/teachers word for what the word says or means.
Here are just a few of the different sources I use to study to show myself approved a workman that need not be ashame.
1. The Zondervan Parallel New Testament in Greek and English Bible. (KJV, NIV, Greek Interlinear)
2. The Devotional Bible by Max Lucado, it's NCV.
3. The Naves Study Bible
4. Matthew Henry Commentary to go along with the Classical Commentaries which has around 8-10 different peoples understandings.
5. There is the BibleGateway.com with it's 20 different translations.
6. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary.
7. Then there is the computer, and way to many websites.
8. The Dead Sea Scrolls, By Michael Wise, Martin Abegg Jr., and Edward Cook
I go with the scriptures and not the doctrines of some denomination, as I have been accused of doing many times.
Here is one of the things I have studied, which was written way before 1966. In fact these are things that were believed and taught as far back as 151 AD.
What did early Christians believe about...?
(Before 400 AD)
Uninspired records of how early Christians worshipped and what doctrine they believed!
What did early Christians believe about Homosexuality!
Homosexuality may be a word that has not been around that long, but the act of homosexuality has. It also has been taught as a sin for as far back as I have found so far, which is around 100 AD.
- 151 AD Justin Martyr "[W]e have been taught that to expose newly-born children is the part of wicked men; and this we have been taught lest we should do anyone harm and lest we should sin against God, first, because we see that almost all so exposed (not only the girls, but also the males) are brought up to prostitution. And for this pollution a multitude of females and hermaphrodites, and those who commit unmentionable iniquities, are found in every nation. And you receive the hire of these, and duty and taxes from them, whom you ought to exterminate from your realm. And any one who uses such persons, besides the godless and infamous and impure intercourse, may possibly be having intercourse with his own child, or relative, or brother. And there are some who prostitute even their own children and wives, and some are openly mutilated for the purpose of sodomy; and they refer these mysteries to the mother of the gods" (First Apology 27).
- 181 AD Theophilus of Antioch "Give studious attention to the prophetic writings [the Bible] and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God.. [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortality by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things.. For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous, and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish; and in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire" (To Autolycus 1:14).
- 190 AD Clement of Alexandria "All honor to that king of the Scythians, whoever Anacharsis was, who shot with an arrow one of his subjects who imitated among the Scythians the mystery of the mother of the gods . . . condemning him as having become effeminate among the Greeks, and a teacher of the disease of effeminacy to the rest of the Scythians" [According to Greek myth] Baubo [a female native of Elusis] having received [the goddess] Demeter hospitably, reached to her a refreshing draught; and on her refusing it, not having any inclination to drink (for she was very sad), and Baubo having become annoyed, thinking herself slighted, uncovered her shame, and exhibited her nudity to the goddess. Demeter is delighted with the sight--pleased, I repeat, at the spectacle. These are the secret mysteries of the Athenians; these Orpheus records" "It is not, then, without reason that the poets call him [Hercules] a cruel wretch and a nefarious scoundrel. It were tedious to recount his adulteries of all sorts, and debauching of boys. For your gods did not even abstain from boys, one having loved Hylas, another Hyacinthus, another Pelops, another Chrysippus, another Ganymede. Let such gods as these be worshipped by your wives, and let them pray that their husbands be such as these--so temperate; that, emulating them in the same practices, they may be like the gods. Such gods let your boys be trained to worship, that they may grow up to be men with the accursed likeness of fornication on them received from the gods" (Exhortation to the Greeks 2).
- http://www.bible.ca/H-homosexuality.htm
We believe history books that are written about people like Alexander the Great, and other people from way back in history. Even tho these things weren't written till 400 hundred or more years after their deaths, but we refuse to believe things that were written 50 to 100 yrs., after Christs death.
Anyhow, I don't just read and believe things written and agreed on by the top denominations, or that are written from 1966 to the present time. Assuming that all people who don't agree with you, or that live in certain areas, are fundamentalist and conservative, don't know how or just don't use the brain God gave them to find the truth is, well.......................................... dare I say judgemental and wrong.
If I was a liar and a chronic one at that, would you as my brother of sister in Christ come to me as the Bible says to?
Would you lift me up in your prayers?
Would you show me how the Bible says that it is a sin and what that sin does?
If I was like this before I ask the Lord to save me, and in fact said that it wasn't a sin and needed no forgiveness would I really be saved?
If someone ask others who profess to be Christians if I can be saved while refusing to admit this sin, are they being judgemental?
Would I then be able to call anyone who did the above a hater and bigot for doing them?
Would I be able to say that they aren't showing the love of Christ because of their actions?
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