What is the point.......

[com7fy8]

The human conscience

So, you are right that those people in your church did what is wrong.

You don't have to be religious to be a good, caring person.

Surely being a good person should be more important than religion.

But Jesus is better than any of us humans can get ourselves to be. And what we can get ourselves to do is not as good as how Jesus can have us become and love and please God.

God, if it exists, shouldn't be something to fear.

There is the right way to fear, and the wrong way.

You could say there is no reason to fear a forest fire which is moving toward your neighborhood. After all, fire is good and can do very good things. But there is the right way to relate with fire, so you benefit from it.

So, there is fear that has people fleeing from God, and there is fear which is a form of wisdom so we seek Him and receive correction so we are pleasing to Him and do not spoil all we can enjoy with Him as family. It appears your church did not talk about this.

Jesus suffered and died like He did, partly I would say because Jesus knows about hell and He well understood it was worthwhile to suffer and die like that so we don't go there. But, also, Jesus knows how our Heavenly Father really is; so He was willing to so suffer and die so we do not miss out on all the special intimacy and good we can share with God as our Father.

If you know God's word, you can understand that God is about family, but those who violate this will be elsewhere. If people are so conceited that they feel they are too good for God's own Son, this is not God's fault. Jesus is so unconceited, that Jesus God's own Son came to us humans and so suffered and died so we can share with God as family, for eternity . . . after God has changed us to be like Jesus, so we can so share with Him. There is plenty in the Bible and in Biblical preaching, to help you to gain this.

 

[ViaCrucis]

…….of having a religion unless it makes you a better person?

I know many Christians, the religion with which I am most familiar having been one myself. Some are very decent people whilst others are very untrustworthy. The ones who go on about being saved or burning in hell seem to be the most unpleasant. Good deeds are a much more important than words, especially ones which have no evidence to support them, which much of what is written in the Bible doesn't.

I mean, ideally having a set of principles--religious or not--is a good thing and should inspire us to treat others better.

I'm a Lutheran, so my views are highly defined the Lutheran dichotomy of Law and Gospel. Simply put, the point of the Christian religion isn't personal moral progress, and the preaching of the Law is important, but it's not what makes Christianity. What makes Christianity is Jesus Christ, His life, His death, and His resurrection.

I'm not more moral because I'm a Christian. Being a Christian will never make me a better person than a non-Christian. Because, as human beings, with all our shortcomings and foibles, well we're all in this human condition together.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

I thought the point of Christianity is to advance to heaven.

If it is, then I'm clearly doing it wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[durangodawood]

If it is, then I'm clearly doing it wrong.

-CryptoLutheran

There's a rule that you cant jump the queue. Patience!

 

[renniks]

…….of having a religion unless it makes you a better person?

I know many Christians, the religion with which I am most familiar having been one myself. Some are very decent people whilst others are very untrustworthy. The ones who go on about being saved or burning in hell seem to be the most unpleasant. Good deeds are a much more important than words, especially ones which have no evidence to support them, which much of what is written in the Bible doesn't.

Having religion? Not much point. Having a relationship with the King of the universe? How can that not make you better?

 

[pleinmont]

If Jesus was alive today it would be very interesting to hear his thoughts on some of the people claiming they are Christians and doing things in his name, especially the ones who bring the faith into disrepute.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If Jesus was alive today it would be very interesting to hear his thoughts on some of the people claiming they are Christians and doing things in his name, especially the ones who bring the faith into disrepute.

If you in God's Will find someone walking with Jesus in Truth , Life, and the Light,
they can help with things like hearing, and hearing Him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God, if it exists, shouldn't be something to fear.

The only ones with peace, are those in His care. And eternal life.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The human conscience is part of the human mind a complicated organ, part of the evolutionary process, imo.

THat is mankind's way of not honoring the one true Creator, and of keeping others from finding Him , and stopping them from being healed. (leading to destruction, with many troubles instead)

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So it is ok to be religious and a bad person like paedophile priests for example?

"religious" does not mean alive, nor having anything to do with Jesus nor truth ...

So yes, with the world (the world loves its own who are wicked), it is okay with the world, and the world always attempts to drag everyone down in its sin, every day, everywhere.

 

[FireDragon76]

…….of having a religion unless it makes you a better person?

I know many Christians, the religion with which I am most familiar having been one myself. Some are very decent people whilst others are very untrustworthy. The ones who go on about being saved or burning in hell seem to be the most unpleasant. Good deeds are a much more important than words, especially ones which have no evidence to support them, which much of what is written in the Bible doesn't.

Some Christiasn are wonderful human beings, but most are unimpressive in their character, and some are downright vile.

 

[FireDragon76]

There are lots of reasons. Some people join a religion for social reasons, peer pressures, power over others, access to business opportunities, etc. Some people are born into an ethno-religion. Whether one is really a member of a religion if one is a follower just for those reasons is another matter.

Christianity, especially Evangelicalism, attracts alot of broken people and yet makes them feel OK by telling them that everybody else is as broken as they are. That's a perfect recipe for a reality bubble that enables narcissists and sociopaths to act badly and not understand the unique depravity of their condition.

 

[Joy]

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