What is the impact of Evolution on the doctrine of Salvation?

[AV1611VET]

Was what not book knowledge?

Eugenics.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Eugenics.

No.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Eugenics.

No.

The debate regarding eugenics was book knowledge, of course... books were written both in favor of and against the practice as a social philosophy. A person who wished to overcome their ignorance could read both sides of the debate and decide its morality for themselves.

 

[AV1611VET]

The debate regarding eugenics was book knowledge, of course... books were written both in favor of and against the practice as a social philosophy. A person who wished to overcome their ignorance could read both sides of the debate and decide its morality for themselves.

But in that debate, was inbreeding depression brought up?

 

[TLK Valentine]

But in that debate, was inbreeding depression brought up?

If it was, the Nazis would've burned the books that mentioned it.

 

[AV1611VET]

If it was, the Nazis would've burned the books that mentioned it.

So evidently the information contained therein wasn't strong enough to convince them they were making a mistake?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So evidently the information contained therein wasn't strong enough to convince them they were making a mistake?

Why are you assuming that they sincerely believed their own propaganda?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why are you assuming that they sincerely believed their own propaganda?

Because I don't think eugenics is pure propaganda.

I think it is ... or was ... a viable theory at one time.

Did you see: My Bad Seed Challenge

Which appears to be another defunct theory.

 

[JIMINZ]

Sure. Everyone has weakness and flaws. Every scientist, every priest, every prophet, every Christian, every pagan and every atheist.

I don't believe in perfection.

Now science the system (also imperfect) is designed to mitigate human failings in an attempt to get to the truth.

I understand the narrative fine. The first man and woman disobeyed their creator and so moved away from his perfection and they and their descendants were punished for it. They were tainted by this first sin and only a sacrifice of their creator himself could absolve them.

As an allegory for the imperfection of humanity I'm not a fan but it's as good as any other.
As a literal history of humanity it's massively inconsistent with all the physical evidence.

Sorry, but your wrong on all counts.

Your just making secular statements, founded in secular thinking and belief about Spiritual matters, you don't realize just how far off base you actually are.

The problem with all of your arguments is, you will not understand any of it until you personally become Saved, until then your just wasting your time and effort.

 

[JIMINZ]

Can we keep to the thread topic please.

If we evolved, we did not fall and Christ's death is not an atonement for sin.

If we fell, and Christ's death is an atonement for sin, we cannot be evolved.

Your right with both of your statements...... No need to go further.

END OF DISCUSSION.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Because I don't think eugenics is pure propaganda.

Neither is Christianity -- but that doesn't stop it from being used as such by unscrupulous people.

I think it is ... or was ... a viable theory at one time.

If that's true, I think you might have liked what you would've heard in Germany at one time.

Did you see: My Bad Seed Challenge

Which appears to be another defunct theory.

Saw it, deconstructed it, watched with satisfaction as you got pwned on it.

I must say, the part where you flat out admitted to me that you had no interest in "learning" anything gave me a chuckle.


ETA: I noticed later in that very thread we discussed the Church's unfortunate history of book burning... weren't we just mentioning a similar topic here?

 

[Shemjaza]

Sorry, but your wrong on all counts.

Your just making secular statements, founded in secular thinking and belief about Spiritual matters, you don't realize just how far off base you actually are.

The problem with all of your arguments is, you will not understand any of it until you personally become Saved, until then your just wasting your time and effort.

I'm sure you appreciate how unconvincing this is as an argument?

Personally, I think endeavoring to learn and understand are, in general, inherently good and useful.

However, if it were true that it is simply impossible for me to understand until I undergo a supernatural transformation then what purpose is you telling me?

If you can't explain and I can't understand, are you simply showing off your piety to other believers?
Pride perhaps?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm sure you appreciate how unconvincing this is as an argument?

Personally, I think endeavoring to learn and understand are, in general, inherently good and useful.

However, if it were true that it is simply impossible for me to understand until I undergo a supernatural transformation then what purpose is you telling me?

If you can't explain and I can't understand, are you simply showing off your piety to other believers?
Pride perhaps?

Now, now... that's just your bitterness and envy talking because you're not as special as he is...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sorry, but your wrong on all counts.

Your just making secular statements, founded in secular thinking and belief about Spiritual matters, you don't realize just how far off base you actually are.

The problem with all of your arguments is, you will not understand any of it until you personally become Saved, until then your just wasting your time and effort.

I would like to bring your attention to this, @AV1611VET

The Nazis used pseudoscientific sophistry to push the idea that they were biologically superior.

Of course, if you're spiritually superior, who needs biology?

 

[JIMINZ]

I'm sure you appreciate how unconvincing this is as an argument?

Personally, I think endeavoring to learn and understand are, in general, inherently good and useful.

However, if it were true that it is simply impossible for me to understand until I undergo a supernatural transformation then what purpose is you telling me?

If you can't explain and I can't understand, are you simply showing off your piety to other believers?
Pride perhaps?

Personally, endeavoring to learn and understand are, in general, inherently good and useful, which is exactly the reason I said, you need to become Born Again before you will be able to understand, because what you are speaking about are Spiritual matters, and you are not a Spiritual being having not been Born Again yourself, therefore it is useless for you to attempt teaching others on such matters.

I'm not better than you, never said I was, I have just passed from Death to Life, which you have not, therefore I am only saying, for you to engage in such conversations is a waste of your time.

If you are so interested in these things, the answer is only for you to get Saved, become Born Again, because up until that time, you are blind to the knowledge and understanding of anything Spiritual.

1Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Do you now understand what I am saying?

 

[JIMINZ]

I would like to bring your attention to this, @AV1611VET

The Nazis used pseudoscientific sophistry to push the idea that they were biologically superior.

Of course, if you're spiritually superior, who needs biology?

I understand that you only want an argument, and that the Nazis with all of their Pseudo Scientific Sophistry were then, no different than you are now, with all of your home grown Pseudo Sophisticated arguments.

1Cor. 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1Cor. 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Cor. 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1Cor. 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

 

[HitchSlap]

The problem with all of your arguments is, you will not understand any of it until you personally become Saved, until then your just wasting your time and effort.

Bull-pucky. Now you're just talking out your backside. Name one thing I, as an unbeliever, cannot understand without being "Saved."

 

[AV1611VET]

Bull-pucky. Now you're just talking out your backside. Name one thing I, as an unbeliever, cannot understand without being "Saved."

Sin.

 

[HitchSlap]

Sin.

Wrong again. I understand "sin."

 

[VirOptimus]

Sin.

No, thats a very simple concept.