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What is the impact of Evolution on the doctrine of Salvation?

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DogmaHunter

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Why were they racists?

There's no one reason, but several.
The biggest probably being the rampant anti-semitism in pre-war catholicism which likely had a big influence on Hitler as a youngster.

Then, like I said, there's also the political propaganda tactics of rallying people against a "common enemy" and the Jews were an easy target, blaming them for losing the first war as well as jews supposedly boycotting Germany's recovery.

Because evolution led them to believe they were the biologically superior race????
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There's no reason to think so. Darwinian evolution has never been an argument for anti-jewish propaganda either. So it's quite clear that you only say these things because you fell for the propaganda of sites like creation.com, who do like to spread these lies.

However, I'll throw you a small bone here. Let's just bend over backwards and say that you are correct. That somehow, for some unknown reason, they cited evolution as an argument for saying that jews are inferior.

Then it would be a simple case of them not understanding the theory. There's nothing in evolutionary biology that says a certain race of homo sapiens is superior/inferior to any other race.

Perfectly logical reaction under a theory where one can assume one may evolve a superior intelligence or strength over another form.....

Perfectly logical reaction to a complete misunderstanding of said theory, perhaps.
But as said above, nothing in evolution theory says this. At all. There's no "superior". There's a "better adapted in context of the specific habitat".

Tibetans are "better adapted" then us, for example, for living at high altitudes.
Tibetans aren't "superior" to us and neither are we to them.

But we are all homo sapiens. There's no "more evolved" or "less evolved".

But there IS the dishonest and emotional "argument" (propaganda) of trying to claim that a scientific theory of biology that explains bio-diversity, somehow leads to nazism or whatnot.
Typical creationist tactic.... Kind of Godwin-ish as well, actually.
It's a sign of desperation and defeat.

Why doesn't it have anything to do with biology?

Because it doesn't.
Communism is an authoritarian political system - nothing to do with biology.
Nazism is also an authoritarian political system, a fundamentally fascist/racist ideology based on hatred. Moreover, Jews are in fact just caucasian people, like the Germans themselves. So the race-card doesn't even actually make any sense here.....

But I get it though....

All bets are off and all means are allowed, as long as it leads to 21st century biology bashing, right?


Under the explanatory theory of evolution it is perfectly logical to assume that one might become more biologically superior to another.

No, not under the explanatory theory of evolution.
Perhaps under a seriously twisted and misrepresented version thereof....
That might explain why creationists tend to come back to this non-argument. It's rare to see a creationist who actually properly understand evolution theory.

In fact that is the core tenet of the theory..... That evolved creature A is more fit for survival than creature B.....

1. populations evolve, not individuals
2. "fit" here, means "best adapted", not "stronger, bigger, more intelligent, faster,...". In other words, depending on circumstantial context, "fitter" might actually mean dumber, slower, smaller,....

But off course, you might want to study up on evolution before your mind can grasp that. Because as it stands, your posts have very consistently shown that your understanding of this backbone theory of biology, is extremely lacking.
 
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No.

Germans were racists who made macabre use of over 2000 years of prosecution of jews by catholics. Due to that history, they didn't have a lot of problems rallying their people against that "common enemy" through propaganda.

As for the Russians, they pretty much installed a state religion where the state and the dictator were to be worshipped as if they were practically gods.

In any case, none of what they did had anything to do with an explanatory scientific theory of biology.
So they not only taught what is wrong to all the little children under their control in the 1940's, they got you to believe it too, even though you agree now it is not an explanatory scientific "theory" of biology. i.e. it is false "theory" opposed to truth,by the enemies of Jesus.
 
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So they not only taught what is wrong to all the little children under their control in the 1940's, they got you to believe it too, even though you agree now it is not an explanatory scientific "theory" of biology. i.e. it is false "theory" opposed to truth,by the enemies of Jesus.

I don't know under which rock you've been living, or on which planet or in which dimension..., but evolution theory did not originate in nazi germany, nore was it only thaught in nazi germany in the 1940's... :-S

Also, your quotes around the word theory, are kind of hilarious and tell us all we need to know about your "understanding" of science and scientific jargon.


i.e. it is false "theory" opposed to truth,by the enemies of Jesus

Good job on calling the majority of christians "enemies of Jesus".



EDIT: I just noticed something in your first paragraphe that I initially skipped over apparantly:

even though you agree now it is not an explanatory scientific "theory" of biology.

Did you just say that I "agree" that evolution theory is NOT a proper explanatory model of biology?
 
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but I believe that no human is perfect and we all have parts of ourselves motivated by selfishness, cruelty and other weak or dark urges

Hey hey shemjaza ;)

The time is right. Would you say scientists are not perfect and all have parts of themselves motivated by selfishness, cruelty and other weak or dark urges?

Cheers
 
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Only if you assume the fall is from a literal individual sin of disobedience and fruit misuse. If you assume that fully sentient humans become capable of perceiving good and evil, and then fail to live up the former due to their imperfections (and are thus fallen).

Why don't you come back when you are capable of understanding what Creation and the Fall were all about, because you certainly don't have a clue now.
 
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Why were they racists? Because evolution led them to believe they were the biologically superior race????

No, because political propaganda led them to believe they were the biologically superior race.
 
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No, because political propaganda led them to believe they were the biologically superior race.
And where did political propaganda get the idea? and what kept it alive with evidence?
 
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And where did political propaganda get the idea?

From ignorance, of course... the usual breeding ground for propaganda.

and what kept it alive with evidence?

Propaganda needs no evidence... only sophistry.
 
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Hey hey shemjaza ;)

The time is right. Would you say scientists are not perfect and all have parts of themselves motivated by selfishness, cruelty and other weak or dark urges?

Cheers
Sure. Everyone has weakness and flaws. Every scientist, every priest, every prophet, every Christian, every pagan and every atheist.

I don't believe in perfection.

Now science the system (also imperfect) is designed to mitigate human failings in an attempt to get to the truth.
Why don't you come back when you are capable of understanding what Creation and the Fall were all about, because you certainly don't have a clue now.
I understand the narrative fine. The first man and woman disobeyed their creator and so moved away from his perfection and they and their descendants were punished for it. They were tainted by this first sin and only a sacrifice of their creator himself could absolve them.

As an allegory for the imperfection of humanity I'm not a fan but it's as good as any other.
As a literal history of humanity it's massively inconsistent with all the physical evidence.
 
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From ignorance, of course...
They just made Aryan Supremacy up out of ignorance, did they?

Yes ... I realize Aryan Supremacy won't work because of inbreeding depression, but it still provided a scientific basis for the theory.
 
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They just made Aryan Supremacy up out of ignorance, did they?

That's right. Did you really think that it'd be complicated?

People ignorant of the fact that we're all humans will believe all sorts of blather.

Yes ... I realize Aryan Supremacy won't work because of inbreeding depression, but it still provided a scientific basis for the theory.

Inbreeding provided a scientific basis? I think your answer is right there...
 
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That's right. Did you really think that it'd be complicated?
You make evolution theory sound almost like it's a meme.
TLK Valentine said:
People ignorant of the fact that we're all humans will believe all sorts of blather.
Like believing we came from a purer stock of apes?
TLK Valentine said:
Inbreeding provided a scientific basis?
No ... Aryan Supremacy did.
TLK Valentine said:
I think your answer is right there...
Is science in search of a final solution to all its problems?
 
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You make evolution theory sound almost like it's a meme.

Except we're not talking about evolution theory-- we're talking about political propaganda.

Like believing we came from a purer stock of apes?

Exactly -- the truth is that we're all equally apes; "purity" is a meaningless term.

See? Now you're a little less ignorant.

No ... Aryan Supremacy did.

No, it provided a pseudoscientific basis... looks like science... sounds like science.... ain't science.

Matthew 7:15 doesn't just apply to Christianity -- the Bible is chock full of good practical advice... don't you think?

Is science in search of a final solution to all its problems?

No such thing exists scientifically. Every answer discovered raises more questions which themselves beg to be answered.
 
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If you (think) you have a point, just make it.
Science provided validation for Aryan Supremacy at the time.

Just like science provided validation for Pluto being our ninth planet at the time.
 
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