What is the Gospel?

[Chinchilla]

how does the Jesus's gospel differ from Paul's. I'm intrigued as there are those who do not believe in the death and resurrection of Christ (Muslims, Jews) and so seem to be put in a position to better receive this "original Gospel" before they accept the death and resurrection.

Gospel of Kingdom had works in it , for gentiles it's free gift .

 

[GingerBeer]

The Epistles are for people who already know the Gospel in established Christian communities, so if the Epistles are not the Gospel then what is the Gospel? Should Matthew, Mark, Luke and John be used exclusively to tell the Gospel to non-believers?

Perhaps you could say we have theological license to use what we want to or it could be said that doctrinally meaty messages are irresponsible for non-believers as they are not ready. This begs the question what is the purpose of the Gospel? Should it "fix" ones theology or should it be more focused on introducing someone to Jesus?

The gospel is this: repent and believe the good news because the kingdom of God is at hand.

 

[Chinchilla]

The gospel is this: repent and believe the good news because the kingdom of God is at hand.

It's not .

 

[DamianWarS]

The gospel is this: repent and believe the good news because the kingdom of God is at hand.

that's redundant as the gospel means "good news". so what is the good news?

 

[GingerBeer]

It's not .

It's what Jesus said it is. Mark 1:14Now after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.

 

[Chinchilla]

It's what Jesus said it is. Mark 1:14Now after John was delivered up, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.

It was for Jews you are not one .
Moreover Jews rejected the Kingdom it's not at hand for nearly 2000 years .

 

[GingerBeer]

that's redundant as the gospel means "good news". so what is the good news?

Obviously it is what Jesus said. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe it.

 

[GingerBeer]

It was for Jews you are not one .
Moreover Jews rejected the Kingdom it's not at hand for nearly 2000 years .

The gospel is for everybody, not just for Jews. Romans 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

 

[royal priest]

Romans to the unbeliever has more of a patronizing voice as it assumes belief and does not lead someone into it. The response could be more of a rebuttal in a debating spirit than walking with someone to a response of belief.

Since God has converted many as they read the epistles, we cannot argue that the Gospel in insuffiently communicated by them. Paul's epistles, in particular, masterfully reveal spiritual realities of what it means to be have eternal life. For the most part, his epistles follow the pattern of beginning with God's role in saving the church, followed by imperatives to live according to God's call to believe and repent.

 

[Colter]

how does the Jesus's gospel differ from Paul's. I'm intrigued as there are those who do not believe in the death and resurrection of Christ (Muslims, Jews) and so seem to be put in a position to better receive this "original Gospel" before they accept the death and resurrection.

Jesus taught, and or expanded upon real salvation, a change of hart; repenting of sin (deliberate disloyalty to God). He taught that we are ALL sons and daughters of the living God, not an especially chosen few, that by faith we may realize this ennobling truth, that God is not just a national deity, but a personal, loving, heavenly Father who actively forgives having bestowed heaps of ample mercy and grace adequate to compensate for the possible missteps of his beloved children.

To follow Jesus means to share his personal faith in our heavenly Father.


Blood sacrifice is Pagan, theoretical, predates Jesus and has been practiced world wide among many religions. It contaminated Judaism as it evolved.


Paul's doctrine of the atonement is theoretical salvation. Its philosophical insult to the free will-ness of the Father, that the Father could not really forgive (forgiveness was already taught by Jesus before the cross) unless someone almost equal to the Father was sacrificed (a scapegoat), that man was born into an inherited sin-debt already in addition to any he may commit after birth, that the Father is a heavenly bookkeeper who is not a real personality with a good and forgiving nature.


Paul's doctrine of the atonement insinuates by default that Jesus was insincere for the 3+ years that he tried to teach the Jews and others his original gospel.


* The religion OF Jesus, salvation by faith and the responsibility that comes with sonship with God, was replaced by a religion ABOUT Jesus as a substitute sacrifice. The religion ABOUT Jesus became then an easy, softer way: just profess your belief ABOUT Jesus and you are saved as opposed to real, spiritual transformation and ongoing growth in dedication to the Fathers will...… and perhaps make some begonia sandwiches for the homeless once in a while.....

 

[Chinchilla]

The gospel is for everybody, not just for Jews. Romans 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

It was not so at the beginning .
Matthew 10:5
“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:”


Only after Jews rejected the Kingdom Christ converted Saul and renamed him Paul and set him as apostle to gentiles .

 

[Chinchilla]

double post eew

 

[Chinchilla]

The Son of God incarnate was killed because of the original gospel.



Paul, who never new the original gospel or Jesus in the flesh, adopted the new, post cross gospel and innocently embellished it with his own preexisting religious beliefs.


Paul's dominant, charismatic teachings influenced the recollection of Jesus as the gospels were developed and written.


Therefore, the New Testament, the good news of today, is largely about Paul's personal spiritual experience.


As much as we can extrapolate the original gospel directly from what remains of Jesus' teaching in the so called "red letters", we need to get back to the original, pre-cross, triumphant religion of Jesus of Nazareth.

Arguing against Paul and his gospel/letters in General Theology is not permitted , go to Controversial forum if you want to debate about it .

 

[Colter]

Don't think it belongs to General Theology , you claim that most NT is corrupted.

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I didn't say the NT is "corrupt", I said it reflects Paul's personal opinions. The NT is human. Paul even refers to his Gospel as "my gospel".

 

[Chinchilla]

I didn't say the NT is "corrupt", I said it reflects Paul's personal opinions. The NT is human. Paul even refers to his Gospel as "my gospel".

Calling Paul's writting opinions is rejecting them as Scriptures .
Moreover you accuse Paul of not having the proper gospel .
Peter is validating Paul's writtings as Scriptures

2 Peter 3:16
“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

Let mods decide if your propaganda belongs here or not .

 

[Colter]

Arguing against Paul and his gospel/letters in General Theology is not permitted , go to Controversial forum if you want to debate about it .

I'm answering the OP which contrasts the original gospel with Paul's.
Because my reply is so obviously true and you disagree with it, you are attempting to silence the truth.

 

[Colter]

Calling Paul's writting opinions is rejecting them as Scriptures .
Moreover you accuse Paul of not having the proper gospel .
Peter is validating Paul's writtings as Scriptures

2 Peter 3:16
“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

Let mods decide if your propaganda belongs here or not .

When Paul wrote letters of correspondence to others, they were just that, letters of correspondence. The Church latter converted Paul's letters in "scripture" (Paul's letters are scripture). He preached the gospel as he understood it to others.


Pester the mods if you have no rebuttal. That's seems to me an abuse of moderators.

 

[Chinchilla]

When Paul wrote letters of correspondence to others, they were just that, letters of correspondence. The Church latter converted Paul's letters in "scripture" (Paul's letters are scripture). He preached the gospel as he understood it to others.


Pester the mods if you have no rebuttal. That's seems to me an abuse of moderators.

Why should we believe you that Paul's writting were only letters and not Scriptures ?

 

[Heavenhome]

The gospel is purely John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Everything is explained in this one beautiful passage.

 

[Chinchilla]

The gospel is purely John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Everything is explained in this one beautiful passage.

Well not everything , you don't know the name of your saviour from that one .

This one for example has :
a) Sin and it's wages = death
b) Redeemer's name
c) God's solution how to deal with sin

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.