What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[dlamberth]

But why would atheists want to make it hard for themselves by effectively arguing that God couldn't do THAT.

So, I'm not an atheist, but I am a Lover of God. For me, it's not a matter of if God could orchestrate a global flood, but that clearly it wasn't done as claimed. How do I know? Because there's absolutely no physical evidence in God's own Creation of a Global Biblical Flood. It's like a no-brainier for me.

 

[dlamberth]

Death, destruction, and a reboot of the human race.

So, we got the boot?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, we got the boot?

Isaiah 66:1a Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

 

[Mr Laurier]

Im happy to defend a young Earth Flood timeline. If you want.

I just want you to specify a date.

But why would atheists want to make it hard for themselves by effectively arguing that God couldn't do THAT.

This is not an "atheist" issue. And I am not arguing that "God couldn't do that". I could be a Hindu, and you would still need to specify a date.

I dont assert any specific Flood timeline.

But an event must take place within time. So there must be a date.

I dont have to.

You do though.

Let me know what specific year, decade, aeon Flood date you think I should defend.

Given that I am not you. And I am not the person claiming a global flood at some point in the recent past. (recent being within written history).
It is for YOU to specify a date. Not me.

I've already offered you a HUGE range of time for your mythical flood. Just specify to within a century of the event.

 

[Job 33:6]

With the exception of my good buddy AV, I feel like young earthers never respond to me. Shrugs*

 

[AV1611VET]

With the exception of my good buddy AV, I feel like young earthers never respond to me. Shrugs*

Flattery will get you everywhere!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Death, destruction, and a reboot of the human race.

Death and destruction come from all sources -- although I'll grant you, if you're a Christian, the buck must eventually stop at God, but what does that have to do with an alleged flood?


And what reboot of the human race?

 

[Kylie]

Strength. Hair. Reading and writing skills. Limited domiciles.

Please show me that any biologist considers these traits to be diagnostic of apes.

By the way, humans are just as hairy as other apes. The semi-naked ape, or why peach fuzz makes it harder for parasites

 

[Kylie]

Trust me.
You do NOT want to debate the Noachian Flood with me.
I've done heaps of Flood apologetics debates. They always end in tears.

Your claim is still meaningless. Give me something to establish the time period relative to today. How you think me asking you to do this is a debate, I have no idea.

By the way, I'd be happy to debate the validity of the flood story with you.

 

[sjastro]

Time to dig out my 'what happened to the global flood' near my place response for the umpteenth time.
Floods leave sedimentary deposits.
Here is a geological cross section map of the region where I live.

The yellow region labelled Qpe and Qpt is a sedimentary layer composed of coalluvial and alluvial deposits of gravel, sand, clay and silt due to changes in sea levels and glaciation as a result of climate change in the past.
The pinkish region labelled Qvn is a basalt layer.

If the sedimentary layer is the result of a "global flood" then why does it not cover the entire basalt layer?

 

[Job 33:6]

Time to dig out my 'what happened to the global flood' near my place response for the umpteenth time.
Floods leave sedimentary deposits.
Here is a geological cross section map of the region where I live.

The yellow region labelled Qpe and Qpt is a sedimentary layer composed of coalluvial and alluvial deposits of gravel, sand, clay and silt due to changes in sea levels and glaciation as a result of climate change in the past.
The pinkish region labelled Qvn is a basalt layer.

If the sedimentary layer is the result of a "global flood" then why does it not cover the entire basalt layer?

I'll play this game because I don't expect any flood advocates to.

The basalt came after the flood.

 

[Job 33:6]

Trust me.
You do NOT want to debate the Noachian Flood with me.
I've done heaps of Flood apologetics debates. They always end in tears.

I won't laugh at this but I will say that it's worth considering that apologetics may not be adequate if these apologetics aren't reflected in physical reality through scientific observation. Muslims have their own apologetics debates too, but at the end of the day it will only get us so far without science.

And as a Christian I do understand the value in apologetics. But I think everything has its own time and place.

 

[AV1611VET]

Death and destruction come from all sources --

That's right.

Including the Flood.

They were consequences of the Flood.

... although I'll grant you, if you're a Christian, the buck must eventually stop at God, but what does that have to do with an alleged flood?

God sent the Flood as a consequence of how badly the world had descended into corruption.

And what reboot of the human race?

Reducing the world's population down to eight people, then having them replenish the world is what I would call a reboot.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please show me that any biologist considers these traits to be diagnostic of apes.

I don't need a biologist to tell me the difference between an ape and a human.

Just look at an ape: strong, hairy, no reading and writing skills, limited domiciles.

By the way, humans are just as hairy as other apes.

No. Actually they aren't.

 

[Kylie]

I don't need a biologist to tell me the difference between an ape and a human.

That's like saying that you don't need an ornithologist to tell you the difference between a sparrow and an ostrich, so only one of them is a bird.

Just look at an ape: strong, hairy, no reading and writing skills, limited domiciles.

And as I said, none of these are considered diagnostic traits of apes.

No. Actually they aren't.

Yes, actually, they are. Perhaps if you read my source, you'd understand.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's right.

Including the Flood.

They were consequences of the Flood.

God sent the Flood as a consequence of how badly the world had descended into corruption.

What flood?

Reducing the world's population down to eight people, then having them replenish the world is what I would call a reboot.

As would I if it had actually happened.

 

[sjastro]

I'll play this game because I don't expect any flood advocates to.

The basalt came after the flood.

A few problems with this argument.
The most recent sediment beneath the basalt layer labelled 'Tpw' is dated from the mid Pliocene age around 3 million years ago.
Dating the top most basalt layer indicates the nearby extinct Anakie volcanoes which is the source last erupted 1.5 million years ago.
Clearly these ages are too old in the context of a biblical global flood.

If creationists want to argue the dating is incorrect there is the sediment labelled 'Qpe' on top of the basalt layer.
This sediment is dated from the Pleistocene-Recent period and contains fossilized marine life due to changing sea levels as a result of climate change not the remnants of a global flood.
The bottom line is there is absolutely no evidence of a global flood in this region.

 

[AV1611VET]

What flood?

The one you teach your students, when you them the Bible.

 

[Bradskii]

I dont enjoy debating Flood deniers who struggle with the basic fact that two thirds of the earths surface is ALREADY covered with water.

But where did all the extra water actually go?

 

[AV1611VET]

But where did all the extra water actually go?

Away.