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What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

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Having a wife.
They do write about things like Spiritual Marriage with Christ.
It was a time when Courtly Literature was the thing. And that had a way of allowing these women to express their spiritual experiences in the same manor.
 
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They do write about things like Spiritual Marriage with Christ.
It was a time when Courtly Literature was the thing. And that had a way of allowing these women to express their spiritual experiences in the same manor.
I somehow don't think they would accept you into their fold.
 
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I somehow don't think they would accept you into their fold.
Also, I think your looking at it backwards. Being mystics, I have no doubt that they would accept me. The Beguines, and other mystics for that matter, were not a club where one had to pass an acceptance test. The test would be in myself and if I wanted to follow the intensity of their spiritual world.
 
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(Please start your answer out with either a YES or NO, so I can decide if I want to read the rest or not. Thanks.)
Which of these does that mean:
  • If you answer Yes, I won't read it.
  • If you answer Yes, I will read it.
  • If you answer No, I won't read it
  • If you answer No, I will read it.
  • If you answer Yes, or No I will read it
  • If you don't answer Yes, or No I won't read it, because I require an executive summary.
  • Other, please specify.
 
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That the universe is 6k old with added age.

Thanks. I didn't know that. I think you talked about semantics previously - definitely an abuse of language. YEC and dishonest too. 6K + a couple of year, 6K + 4.599999994 billion year, or whatever??
 
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Being mystics, I have no doubt that they would accept me.
Let's set the record straight, shall we?
SOURCE

Translation: No wives allowed.
 
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You guys are good when that scientific method is on your side; but let it vindicate a Christian, and it can take a hike, can't it?
To question something that isn't even a Christian belief, that is Embodied Age/Maturity of the Earth, makes a person a Christian martyr.
 
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I read it.
 
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You have to hear ideas about why something can't come from nothing? Because we've never observed it happening isn't good enough? I have no problem with Life coming from non life but only if there is a life giver involved. If we did observe this happening on some other planet, it only means but this is a method God decided to use to create on that planet.
Otherwise it seems to me you're doing exactly what everyone accuses theologians of doing, saying we should take what you loosely call " science" on blind faith.
 
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This is just an argument from ignorance. It's not a rational position.

It's akin to a toddler hiding their head under a blanket thinking, "if I can't see them, they can't see me."
Ok, then all athiests are operating from ignorance.
 
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And added age to boot... Thus the deception.

Indeed. And now having the read the last umpteen posts I'm wondering why the discussion continues. If we met a guy in a bar who regalled us with nonsensical statements then we'd do our best to avoid him. But in forums, we make a point of interacting. And I have an uncomfortable theory as to why that is (and it includes me as well).

I don't know about you, but if I read someone who is obviously a couple of pay grades above me regarding intelligence then it pays me to shut up and listen. Adult in the room, Bradskii. You might learn something. Pay attention! But if I read something incredibly dumb then it has the effect of making me feel smarter than I actually am. So there's a sense of wanting to show off by reacting to it. And I know that I'm guilty of this.

A good debate is like a clean fight under Marquis of Queensbury rules. You take a few shots and land a couple and there's a degree of respect between the two opponents. It's good sport. Shooting fish in a barrel isn't what I call sport. But we all seem to enjoy it.

Just thought I'd mention it is all.
 
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Couple of points:

1. I haven't ever been convinced on the "something coming from nothing arguments". When physicists use terms like something from nothing such as Lawrence Krauss, they are not talking about "nothing" in the traditional sense. Quantum theory allows for fluctuations in the vacuum to produce matter.
2. Strictly speaking you are right? There is no way that past events could be 100% probable based even on like planets to earth being observed to have chemical evolution going on. It would, however, more likely than not to have happened on earth if such is observed. However, unlike lots of skeptics, atheists and agnostics I don't believe that lab work by intelligent humans to produce complex components of life or life in lab conclusively proves that evolution occurred on a primitive earth. However, I wouldn't just equate this with blind faith like some religious people have.
 
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