What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[tas8831]

Yes, we now have DNA from multiple genetic lines of humans. But we all came from a common ancestor. His name was Adam.

The Adam that Yahweh formed from silicates during an event that nobody witnessed and for which there is ZERO evidence?

Funny how someone can believe THAT and then denigrate those that have scientific backgrounds and ask for evidence.

 

[tas8831]

Go back and read what you claimed.
Then do your own research into the difference among different species, of homo and the evidence supporting that they are species. Then you will have no reason to make false claims.

Please let us know when you have come up with a better creationist theory than the ToE.

Careful Frank - he has skinned more animals that 99% of us!!!! He's a total Wunderkind!

 

[tas8831]

"An obsession with turning each new fossil into a distinct species has clouded the biological reality that we are now retrieving." (Clive Finlayson) 2010

You read that essay, did you? Or did you just copy-paste that from some creationist website?

Here you go, superstar - read it. For the first time. I'm guessing 1. that you will not read it. 2. If you do, you will not understand it. 3. If you do, you will dismiss the implications.
The article is no friend to your religious fantasies.

 

[tas8831]

The border is the vast genetic differences between Australopithecus and Homo sapiens.

Tell us all about this "vast genetic difference". In particular, I am curious, as one that has done research on this sort of thing, as to how this was determined and by whom.

Whenever well-preserved hominin skeletons are found, they can be readily identified as one or the other genus. So why should we assume one transitioned into another at some point?

Do you think the ark story is true? If so, then you should WANT large amounts of such transition, for if not, the ark story fails utterly.

But do tell us about that vast genetic difference, if nothing else. I am always intrigued to see how non-scientists try to understand and/or spin such issues.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are just wrong. But believe what you like.

Then prove it. I can show you how and why humans are apes. But I will do so after you support your claim.

I am betting that crickets will be the only sound I hear when it comes to you providing evidence.

 

[Shemjaza]

Clearly? Because of what? Skull shape? First the evidence for habilis is very shakey. Paleo experts have debated rather it's even a real species. The fossil evidence is fragmentary at best. Probably a mix of human and ape bones at one site.

Or that could just be lies you made up. Particularly since you were pontificating that they were "human" until you were called on it.

Do you have any sources for these comments?

We can tell a whole lot from skull shape, in particular how it sits against the spine, giving a clear insight to gait and standing posture.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't seem to know very much about all the transitional hominids.

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Why don't you tell me how easy it is to clearly define "human" and "ape".

Homo habilis is D... an upright tool maker, but clearly closer in form to Australopithicus than it is to Homo sapiens.

I like to use creationists for such arbitrary borders. And since Duane Gish has said that Homo erectus is both "human" and "ape" at different times in his life that seems to be a reasonable ultimate creationist transitional fossil.

 

[Lion IRC]

A world-wide flood 4500 years ago would leave a mark.
You have presented none.

Where did I assert that the Noachian Flood happened 4,500 years ago?
Please use the quote function instead of strawman ventriloquism.

 

[Speedwell]

Where did I assert that the Noachian Flood happened 4,500 years ago?
Please use the quote function instead of strawman ventriloquism.

It is quite a common creationist belief. When do you think the Flood happened?

 

[Bradskii]

Useless post...

Well, it seems it was certainly a waste of my time posting it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't seem to know very much about all the transitional hominids.

Why don't you tell me how easy it is to clearly define "human" and "ape".

Every one of those were, at one time, a Homo sapiens.

God warned Israel ...

Deuteronomy 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Evidently one of those "wonderful plagues" was a bone-altering disease that messed a person up.

David suffered from it in Psalm 38, repented in Psalm 39, and was forgiven in Psalm 40.

 

[Astrophile]

First evidence that amino acids formed soon after the Big Bang:

.. and so:

I think that your link, which states that 'amino acids first appeared about 168 million years after the Big Bang' is mistaken. The abstract of the original paper - Theory of chemical evolution of molecule compositions in the... - says that there is evidence that chemical evolution began as long ago as 12.8 billion years, 'following the birth of stars and supernovae', and that 'amino acids emerge about 165 million years after chemical elements emerge in stars.'

On this account, the beginning of chemical evolution at 12.8 billion years was about a billion years after the Big Bang, and the first appearance of amino acids was nearly 200 million years later, or about 1.2 billion years after the Big Bang. Obviously amino acids could not have formed before the first generation of stars had produced carbon, nitrogen and oxygen and had dispersed these elements through the interstellar medium.

 

[SelfSim]

I think that your link, which states that 'amino acids first appeared about 168 million years after the Big Bang' is mistaken. The abstract of the original paper - Theory of chemical evolution of molecule compositions in the... - says that there is evidence that chemical evolution began as long ago as 12.8 billion years, 'following the birth of stars and supernovae', and that 'amino acids emerge about 165 million years after chemical elements emerge in stars.'

On this account, the beginning of chemical evolution at 12.8 billion years was about a billion years after the Big Bang, and the first appearance of amino acids was nearly 200 million years later, or about 1.2 billion years after the Big Bang. Obviously amino acids could not have formed before the first generation of stars had produced carbon, nitrogen and oxygen and had dispersed these elements through the interstellar medium.

Yep agreed. .. perhaps a journo reporting error there(?)

(Just for the record): the abstract of the actual linked Kauffman etal paper says (as you quote above):

From the Frontier mass between the random and preferential attachment dynamics the birth time of molecule families can be estimated. Amino acids emerge about 165 million years after chemical elements emerge in stars.

The really cool thing is that this model predicts amino acids are likely to be ubiquitously distributed throughout the universe, over a period starting from about 12.6bya.

 

[Bradskii]

The really cool thing is that this model predicts amino acids are likely to be ubiquitously distributed throughout the universe, over a period starting from about 12.6bya.

I didn't know that. I'm going to spend some time investigating it. Part of me is thinking 'surely that can't be right'. I mean, could there effectively be an infinite amount of the starting blocks of life throughout the universe?

 

[Speedwell]

I didn't know that. I'm going to spend some time investigating it. Part of me is thinking 'surely that can't be right'. I mean, could there effectively be an infinite amount of the starting blocks of life throughout the universe?

The Primal Soup.

 

[Bradskii]

The Primal Soup.

That's what I was thinking. The whole universe is a can of Primal Soup (no artifical ingredients).

 

[Bertrand Russell White]

Where did I assert that the Noachian Flood happened 4,500 years ago?
Please use the quote function instead of strawman ventriloquism.

I would ask for a couple of things to support a world wide flood rather than local flood:

1. When did this flood occur approximately?
2. What different lines of evidence support this date?
3. What different lines of evidence support a world wide flood?
4. For the above evidence, what different expert groups and associations provide this evidence?

The reason I ask these questions is because a lot of different claims can be made but without evidence that expert people can study and agree on from different disciplines, then it isn't anything better then ad hoc: ideas, explanations and theories. Also, experts in these different disciplines must assess the how good this information/evidence is to support the theory of a universal flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's what I was thinking. The whole universe is a can of Primal Soup (no artifical ingredients).

Ylem! Ylem!

 

[AV1611VET]

1. When did this flood occur approximately?
2. What different lines of evidence support this date?
3. What different lines of evidence support a world wide flood?
4. For the above evidence, what different expert groups and associations provide this evidence?

1. 2348 BC
2. Occam's Razor (it is Usser's date)
3. None. It was cleaned up. But for the record, white cliffs and meandering rivers were created as a testimony.
4. The Godhead and the Association of Bible Writers, from the Verbal Plenary Institute of Divine Inspiration.

 

[Shemjaza]

Every one of those were, at one time, a Homo sapiens.

God warned Israel ...

Deuteronomy 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Evidently one of those "wonderful plagues" was a bone-altering disease that messed a person up.

David suffered from it in Psalm 38, repented in Psalm 39, and was forgiven in Psalm 40.

Even the very "ape like" ones?

Only humans have a posture similar to an Australopithecus, but by brain size and skull shape they are more reminiscent of modern chimps.