What is the difficulty of getting into heaven?

[fhansen]

It appears you are ignoring Gods Word and Christs Righteousness, in favor of your own righteousness.

well, that appearance would be wrong. As I've insisted and as the church and the ECFs and Scripture have insisted, man has no righteousness apart from God

 

[servant7777]

I might have to wait years for you to show me how I've taken it our of context. In Romans 3:20, God's law was given to give us knowledge of what sin is, and in Romans 7:7, Paul would not have known what sin is if not for God's law. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from God's law, but in order to free us from all lawlessness, so the freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do what God has revealed through His law to be sin.

We have the knowledge of sin by Jesus giving us no cloke for our sin( this i the knowledge of sin



John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.


The law gives knowledge of sin, as they remember their sins, LOOK( they cant forget sin cant stop having knowledge of it, cant be justified as the context shows)




Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

 

[Clare73]

We are justified by belief, and if we do unjustly we don't believe.

Also the righteousness of what Abraham received for believing in God, was made perfect by the offering of His son, to make faith perfect.

Abraham's offering demonstrated the perfect righteousness of God (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-22) which was imputed to him (Romans 4:2-3) 40 years earlier (Genesis 15:6).

 

[servant7777]

and in Romans 7:7, Paul would not have known what sin is if not for God's law. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from God's law, but in order to free us from all lawlessness, so the freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to do what God has revealed through His law to be sin.

Israel knows what sin is through being told not to sin, and yet sinning.

That is retaining a knowledge of sin( through the law) Christ came to set us free from sin( the law of sin and death


Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.



Christ redeems us from all iniquity( redeems us from the law of sin and death to believe in righteousness of Christ rising)




Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[servant7777]

Abraham's offering demonstrated the perfect righteousness of God (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-22) which was imputed to him (Romans 4:2-3) 40 years earlier (Genesis 15:6).

Our faith is made perfect by what we suffer, the same as Christs was


Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

1 Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

 

[servant7777]

Well, you and God alone know best how perfectly you love. And maybe an acquaintance or two

Again everybody knows them by their fruits, and if they cease from sin or not ceased from sin( Gods will or satans)



1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.


2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

 

[Soyeong]

Hebrews does not teach us that Christ layed His life down for us, the Gospel does, of the parables of the Kingdom and Christ fulfilling them.

There are lots of topics that the book of Hebrews doesn't cover, but that doesn't mean that what it says is not true.

Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of the law, so he can and did teach that. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so he also taught love through the law.

Sin is the transgression of Gods law, Christ set us free from sin and that law.



1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Again, Titus 2:14 does not say that Jesus set us free from God's law, but that he set us free from all lawlessness. Jesus set us free from sin, which is living in transgression of God's law so that we could be free to live in obedience to it. Sin is the transgression of God's law, so living in obedience to God's law is inherently part of the concept of Jesus saving us from living in disobedience to it.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Again, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so he equated the Law of God with the LAw of the Spirit of life and the Law of God is not the law of sin and death. We have been set free from the law of sin and death in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around.

Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

The way to live unto God is not by refusing to repent and obey what He has commanded.

Then we live with Him and that is the law in our heart, which is belief in Christ manifested to take away our sins

The New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts so that we will obey it, not so that we will have justification for refusing to obey it.

Soyeong stop leaving the part that shows heresyc.

It continues to be absurd for you to think that it is heresy to support the position that followers of God should follow what He has commanded in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

 

[servant7777]

It's God's law, not my law. In Romans 2:13, it says that only doers of the law will be justified, in Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying His commandments, and in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and that he will tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus is the source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Revelation 22:14, those who kept God's commandments will be given access to the Tree of Life. The Bible also frequently connects our faith in God with our obedience to God, such as in Revelation 14:12, where those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments, yet you want to have faith in Jesus instead of keeping God's commandments, which is actually refusing to having faith in him.

The doers of the law, ( to love your neighbour as yourself) do so by the hearing of faith, NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW.Those in the law are in transgressing of the law.




Romans 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.



James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

[servant7777]

There are lots of topics that the book of Hebrews doesn't cover, but that doesn't mean that what it says is not true.

Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of the law, so he can and did teach that. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so he also taught love through the law.


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If you spoke of the Gospel you would have to speak of what Christ did so we dont die in our sins, and what law that established( the law of faith)

These teachings are given for Israel trying to stablish their own law/righteousness, and by that not submitting themselves to the righteousness of Christ that ends the law( faith in Him ends it), as we receive the Spirit by the hearing of FAITH NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW


Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[servant7777]

T

Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that justice, mercy, and faithfulness are weightier matters of the law, so he can and did teach that. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so he also taught love through the law.

How do we know the love of God until it was exampled( and to love our neighbour as ourself was ONLY THEN ESTALISHED):


1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

 

[Soyeong]

You know for years you say the very same thing, never hear correction, never engage, you show no godliness in your ways.


Our faith upholds/establishes the law because of Christ dying for our sins in faith, and rising again to give the Spirit and love is in our heart, as ALL THE LAW IS FULFILLING IN LOVING OUR NEIGHOUR AS OURSELVES.

If we love God and our neighbors, then won't commit adultery, idolatry, theft, murder, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for everything else that God has commanded in His law, so it is contradictory for you to be in favor of obeying the greatest two commandments while also being against obeying God's law, especially when the greatest two commandments are part of God's law (Deuteronomy 6:4-7, Leviticus 19:8).

God's word should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God's word. I've changed my views a number of times over my years discussing on forums, even about major issues, so I have no problem with hearing correction, but it is not ungodly to accept you interpreting the Bible as speaking against doing what is godly, but just the opposite.

If you argue against obeying God's law, then your faith does not establish it, but rather you are seeking to abolish it, which is the opposite of Romans 3:31.

 

[servant7777]

Again, Titus 2:14 does not say that Jesus set us free from God's law, but that he set us free from all lawlessness. Jesus set us free from sin, which is living in transgression of God's law so that we could be free to live in obedience to it. Sin is the transgression of God's law, so living in obedience to God's law is inherently part of the concept of Jesus saving us from living in disobedience to it.



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SET FREE FROM INIQUITY, AND INIQUITY IS WHEN WE DO NOT BELIEVING IN CHRIST DYING FOR OUR SINS.


1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

 

[servant7777]

T


Again, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so he equated the Law of God with the LAw of the Spirit of life and the Law of God is not the law of sin and death. We have been set free from the law of sin and death in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around.

We are set free from the law of sin and death, as it is man being carnal/flesh

Christ set us free by being put to death in the flesh, quickened in the Spirit, its not hard to read



1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[servant7777]

The way to live unto God is not by refusing to repent and obey what He has commanded.



The New Covenant involves God putting His law in our minds and writing it on our hearts so that we will obey it, not so that we will have justification for refusing to obey it.



It continues to be absurd for you to think that it is heresy to support the position that followers of God should follow what He has commanded in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow.

We obey by believing..

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.




The law is put in our heart AFTER Christ gives the one offering that draws us near to God, before this we are far away


Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.



It is death to follow the letter, it was death to all Israel, and it i death to Israel today, and faith would take the vail away, also I could help them if someone like you helped me also. But if not, I wont try.




2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

 

[Soyeong]

If you spoke of the Gospel you would have to speak of what Christ did so we dont die in our sins, and what law that established( the law of faith)

In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so rpeenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message, yet this is the Gospel of Christ that you reject.

These teachings are given for Israel trying to stablish their own law/righteousness, and by that not submitting themselves to the righteousness of Christ that ends the law( faith in Him ends it), as we receive the Spirit by the hearing of FAITH NOT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW

God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so to obediently rely on the law that God has instructed for righteousness is to rely on God for righteousness, not on our own. Trying to become righteous on our own would need to involve doing something other than relying on God's law. Knowing Christ is the goal of the law, not the end of it. Laws for how to act in accordance with Christ's nature can't be ended without first ending Christ, which is your goal. I've never spoken in favor of obeying works of the law, but have only spoke in favor of obeying the Law of God.

SET FREE FROM INIQUITY, AND INIQUITY IS WHEN WE DO NOT BELIEVING IN CHRIST DYING FOR OUR SINS.


1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

God's law is how the Israelites knew what iniquity is and iniquity is willful transgression of it, which is what you promote instead of being set free from it by Christ and believing in him. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so if we believe that Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins, then we will become zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).

We are set free from the law of sin and death, as it is man being carnal/flesh

Christ set us free by being put to death in the flesh, quickened in the Spirit, its not hard to read



1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

In Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin, so the Law of God is not the law of sin. We have been set free from the law of sin in order to be free to obey the law of God, but you want to be set free from the Law of God in order to embrace the law of sin.

 

[servant7777]

If we love God and our neighbors, then won't commit adultery, idolatry, theft, murder, kidnapping, rape, favoritism, and so forth for everything else that God has commanded in His law, so it is contradictory for you to be in favor of obeying the greatest two commandments while also being against obeying God's law, especially when the greatest two commandments are part of God's law (Deuteronomy 6:4-7, Leviticus 19:8).

God gives the Spirit not by hearing of the letter of the law it gives death.

The Spirit comes by the hearing of faith ( I showed us earlier through Peters preaching)


Then instead of being without love, and trying to keep the law that way, we have it kept for us through the love of God perfected in us ( perfected as God gave us His Spirit and love to guide us and given through HI death and rising again to believe in to justify us and not at all THROUGH MAN GLORIFIED


Israel goes about to establish its own righteousness, as you do for them, so no wonder they will always be lost, you condemned them, when I was here trying to show the straight way, not the crooked path of satan( satan resists the faith and wants law)

 

[servant7777]

God's word should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God's word. I've changed my views a number of times over my years discussing on forums, even about major issues, so I have no problem with hearing correction, but it is not ungodly to accept you interpreting the Bible as speaking against doing what is godly, but just the opposite.

If you argue against obeying God's law, then your faith does not establish it, but rather you are seeking to abolish it, which is the opposite of Romans 3:31.

Godliness is faith, law is without faith.

Godliness is Christ dying and rising for us, law is keeping us in death.

Jesus Christ set us free from that law, from sin and from death ( by dying for sins for us and living for righteousness for us)

 

[servant7777]

In Matthew 4:17-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, and God's law is how his audience knew what sin is, so rpeenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel message, yet this is the Gospel of Christ that you reject.



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People knew sin by the works He did ( dying for our sins)

People knew sin by the words Christ preached, of the Kingdom that shows righteousness in Christ giving His life for us.

The man does not abide forever, they die in the law in sins.

The Son abides forever, by giving His life to be Spirit forever, and no ,longer flesh.Now we believe in the Spirit/ Christ and no longer believing in the flesh/law)




John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[Soyeong]

We obey by believing..

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.




The law is put in our heart AFTER Christ gives the one offering that draws us near to God, before this we are far away


Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

The way that we live expresses and testifies about what we believe to be true about the nature of who God is, which is why doing good works in obedience to God's law gives glory to Him (Matthew 5:13-16), and this is why there are many verses that connect our obedience to God with our believe in him. For example, in John 6:40, those who believe in Jesus will be given eternal life, and in Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, so obedience to God's commandments is the way to believe in Jesus.

Again, in Romans 10:5-10, it references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey when we confess that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to believe that God rose him from the dead (Titus 2:14).

It is death to follow the letter, it was death to all Israel, and it i death to Israel today, and faith would take the vail away, also I could help them if someone like you helped me also. But if not, I wont try.


2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Following the letter of the law undermines both the intent of what God has commanded and why He has commanded it, which therefore leads to death just as assuredly as refusing to submit to it.

Everything in Scripture testifies about how to know Christ, and this is what the veil was preventing those who read the OT from seeing, but it is a veil that works both ways by preventing you from seeing the same thing.

 

[Soyeong]

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Can you acknowledge that Romans 7:25 contrasts the Law of God with the law of sin and therefore it is not the law of sin?