what is the difference in casting a spell and putting a curse on someone

[alilsa]

I don't know where this goes but I have 3 or 4 questions? What is the difference in an incantation and quoting formulas that if said right suppose to bring magically resultst hat makes your god answer? What is the difference in casting a spell and putting a curse on someone? Ten years ago, I went to a church that was teaching false doctrine. God gave a message that if they didn't stop that he would bring a curse on the building and a padlock would be put on the door. My sister went back to that church a month ago and nobody was there. They couldn't even keep pastors because of the past.
My other question is which is worse- a supposed christian that went to church but beat his wife and kids and in the past killed 2 babies and was convicted a convicted rapist or an out and out person that is in satanic worship that sacrifice animals but didn't hurt kids? Its like which is worse the hidden scorpions that you don't suspect or the snake that's obvious. How do people that were victims of ritual abuse get delivered or just get over it?

 

[Ave Maria]

The difference between a curse and a spell is that a curse is intended to cause someone harm while a spell is not. However, both are forbidden by orthodox Christianity. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another's credulity.

 

[Ave Maria]

The difference between a curse and a spell is that a curse is intended to cause someone harm while a spell is not. However, both are forbidden by orthodox Christianity. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

Yes, witchcraft is forbidden by Catholicism and by orthodox Christianity but I don't believe that is what the OP was asking about.

 

[Tatsukun]

Well, I'd have to say 'nothing'.

Putting a curse on someone, or praying that harm comes to someone, or casting spells to hurt someone; it all has the same effect... none.

-Tatsukun

 

[Muad Dib]

A heavy bunt object will have more success than anything in your first 2 questions.

Your second two questions are too general, different scenarios will yield different answers to them

 

[Gardenia]

The difference between a curse and a spell is that a curse is intended to cause someone harm while a spell is not.

I think that about sums it up. A spell can be a curse, but it does not have to be. If you were casting a spell for healing, protection, or any number of other such things it would not necessarily be a curse.

 

[awitch]

What is the difference in an incantation and quoting formulas that if said right suppose to bring magically resultst hat makes your god answer?

I imagine it would be really rare for any two random witches to use the same formulas/incantations/reagents for one particular purpose. And since there are atheistic witches, one could conclude that the deities are not necessarily concerned with the ingredients of the "stew" the witch is concocting.

What is the difference in casting a spell and putting a curse on someone?

I'll go with the already mentioned answers of curses are designed to harm someone while spells can be for any good or generic purpose.

My other question is which is worse- a supposed christian that went to church but beat his wife and kids and in the past killed 2 babies and was convicted a convicted rapist or an out and out person that is in satanic worship that sacrifice animals but didn't hurt kids? Its like which is worse the hidden scorpions that you don't suspect or the snake that's obvious. How do people that were victims of ritual abuse get delivered or just get over it?

Satanists have rules against hurting children, and against hurting animals unless it is for food, clothing, making tools, or self defense. His behavior sounds to me like it stems for mental problems more than faith. (standard disclaimer that religion or lack-thereof does to excuse people from bad behavior, but religion or lack-thereof does not automatically result in bad behavior either).

The "Satanic Panic" was pretty much debunked.

Abuse survivors usually require a lot of counseling, but are not guaranteed to get over it.

 

[RedRaven]

I imagine it would be really rare for any two random witches to use the same formulas/incantations/reagents for one particular purpose. And since there are atheistic witches, one could conclude that the deities are not necessarily concerned with the ingredients of the "stew" the witch is concocting.



I'll go with the already mentioned answers of curses are designed to harm someone while spells can be for any good or generic purpose.



Satanists have rules against hurting children, and against hurting animals unless it is for food, clothing, making tools, or self defense. His behavior sounds to me like it stems for mental problems more than faith. (standard disclaimer that religion or lack-thereof does to excuse people from bad behavior, but religion or lack-thereof does not automatically result in bad behavior either).

The "Satanic Panic" was pretty much debunked.

Abuse survivors usually require a lot of counseling, but are not guaranteed to get over it.

This exactly.

I also wanted to add that Satanist are not what people assume them to be. There is a lot of false, bad information out there. I'm not defending, advocating, or supporting their beliefs or theology just stating that it is not what it seems. It's really not for me. I use to believe the standard hype, and misinformation about what they are about. It's far from it.

 

[alilsa]

Nobody wants to claim ritual abuse happens either way, satanic or christian. Satanists say they don't sacrifice children or animals. My pastor, before he got saved, used to be in satanism and said they sacrificed animals. But I've got a picture of him at a school Christmas party where he was holding his daughter and she sure didn't act scared of him. My brother in law was a baby killer, wife beater, beat her kids, raped me when I was little. My sister's kids was terrified of him. So, I wondered which is worse. But my brother in law supposedly would get saved in jail then get out, 2 weeks later the wife and kids are beat up again and my niece got raped. But then most of the child molesters that I was around when I was a kid went to church on Sunday. I still get prayed for at church and the evangelists hit me or try pushing me down and I get headaches. Been hit so many times over the years but its my fault, I was told I was looking for getting hit. But nobody wants to believe christian ritual abuse happens either.

 

[RedRaven]

Wow. I'm sorry for what you have been through. Let me say no one asks for abuse. That's a cop out. If there are people in your church hitting you or making you uncomfortable in anyway you need to find a new church. That's wrong on so many levels.

Some Satanist may sacrifice animals but it is not the whole or ideas of Satanism that support that. Just like you experiencing abuse in your church is not the whole or ideas of Christianity. Find another church. I hope that you can find peace. I am so sorry for they type of humanity you have seen and experienced.

 

[awitch]

Nobody wants to claim ritual abuse happens either way, satanic or christian. Satanists say they don't sacrifice children or animals. My pastor, before he got saved, used to be in satanism and said they sacrificed animals.

Of course there may be mentally disturbed individuals of any religion who commit acts cruelty.

Since he was already "saved" he might be referring to anything that isn't Christian as Satanic in nature. There are some pagan traditions that do sacrifice animals, though there are very specific methods that must be followed to minimize any suffering. The animals are typically consumed for dinner afterward.

I still get prayed for at church and the evangelists hit me or try pushing me down and I get headaches.

If anyone is hitting you, you should go to the police. I am sure that you are not looking to be hit, nor do you deserve it. That doesn't sound like any Christian church I know...you need to get out of there.

But nobody wants to believe christian ritual abuse happens either.

It certainly does happen - they call it an "exorcism".

 

[Wicked Willow]

[derail]Animal sacrifice is quite common in authentic (as opposed to "reconstructed" or neo-) pagan religions such as Voodoo, Siberian Shamanism and so forth - and "minimizing the suffering of the animals" is not necessarily a top priority, either. It's only our Western(ized) sensibilities that makes us balk at the notion and speak up in protest. Ironically, it's our reliance upon industrialized "meat production" that has turned us squeamish, even though slaughterhouses are a million times more obscene than taking a chicken and wringing its neck.[/derail]

 

[Völuspá]

Ironically, it's our reliance upon industrialized "meat production" that has turned us squeamish, even though slaughterhouses are a million times more obscene than taking a chicken and wringing its neck.[/derail]

 

[Witchy Bee]

Personally, I don't use incantations that have been pre-written unless it is for a particular ritual. I prefer to write my own spells, it's more personal that way. After all, in the end it's between you and your gods/goddesses.

The difference between a spell and curse is that a curse is performed with the intention of harming another. Like most, I don't perform any spells on a person without their permission, not even for good things, because it can be very dangerous if you don't word something specific enough and I don't want to cause anyone any harm or disturb my own karma.

As for the third question, I really wouldn't know. Seeing as how I don't really know enough about the two people other than their infamous deeds. If you want my opinion though, I would have to say the first one sounds worse due to the alarming scale of his offenses.

 

[2 King]

I also wanted to add that Satanist are not what people assume them to be.

They are...

It's far from it.

No it's not.

A heavy blunt object will have more success than anything in your first 2 questions.

Your second two questions are too general, different scenarios will yield different answers to them

In the natural, of course it would...in the supernatural...well...good luck.

 

[RedRaven]

thanks for that insight.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Well, I'd have to say 'nothing'.

Putting a curse on someone, ... or casting spells to hurt someone; it all has the same effect... none.

-Tatsukun

And that is a tested and proven outcome right?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

[derail]Animal sacrifice is quite common in authentic (as opposed to "reconstructed" or neo-) pagan religions such as Voodoo, Siberian Shamanism and so forth - and "minimizing the suffering of the animals" is not necessarily a top priority, either. It's only our Western(ized) sensibilities that makes us balk at the notion and speak up in protest. Ironically, it's our reliance upon industrialized "meat production" that has turned us squeamish, even though slaughterhouses are a million times more obscene than taking a chicken and wringing its neck.[/derail]

I am amazed OT didn't find its way into this derailment.

 

[Wicked Willow]

I am amazed OT didn't find its way into this derailment.

Why should it? Because Abrahamaic monotheists used to perform animal sacrifices, too? *shrug*
Yes they did, but they don't qualify as "pagans", do they? As vague as the term is, it's usually NOT used to describe any of the Abrahamaic faiths in their past or present forms.

I might have used the link to the OT in order to point out how Jesus was "the sacrifice to end all sacrifices" in more than just the most straightforward theological sense - and that I'm thankful for that.
Anyways, that'd be a subject for a different thread, I suppose.

 

[sidhe]

As a non-Wiccan pagan who doesn't necessarily agree with such nonsense as "and it harm none...", I'd say the difference between a garden variety spell and a curse is one of degree of skill necessary for successful execution - a spell is like doing a cartwheel in your backyard, a curse is like doing a roundoff into two back handsprings finishing with a layout back flip with a half-twist in the final round of Olympic competition.

A well-constructed curse involves minimizing or deflecting karmic/retributive repercussions, calling on some beings that probably look at you - the magician - as either a toy or a snack, and doing it all with enough confidence to make it look effortless. It also requires the discernment to know whether or not the situation is worth the trouble, and whether the offending individual has in fact obstructed your True Will to such an extent as to require this level of self-defense, and whether there's a more peaceful and less risky solution.