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There are two fundamental elements to the parable of the fig triee.Well yes, that goes without saying. What I meant was that there are several ways to interpret that parable, your's being just one of them. Not all of them can be correct, your's probably isn't, at least not in its time estimate.
Its the 2nd one, what is the length of a generation & when do you start measuring from that is the main question with regard to this parable. 70 years & the formation of Israel is probably not the right answer.There are two fundamental elements to the parable of the fig triee.
1. What is the fig tree.
2. What is the length of a generation.
Please give your interpretation of those two elements.
What is the fig tree?Its the 2nd one, what is the length of a generation & when do you start measuring from that is the main question with regard to this parable. 70 years & the formation of Israel is probably not the right answer.
The seven seals were sequential, as are the trumpets and the bowls of God's wrath. The sixth seals have already happened, but the seven trumpets and seven bowls of God's wrath have not.I'm nearing the 7 bowls of wrath and see some possible overlap with the 7 Trumpets. I found a video that depicts the 7 Seals proceeding the 7 bowls of wrath and 7 trumpets, where each bowl is in parallel with each trumpet. In other words, the 7 seals are sequental and 7 bowls and 7 trumpets are sequential, but each bowl = trumpet, so Trumpet 1 happens at the same time as the 1st bowl, 2nd trumpet = 2nd bowl, and so on. So for Futurists only, what is the chronological order of the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, and the 7 bowls of wrath? Also, does the Lord's opening of the first seal represent the start of the 7 year period or the mid point of tribulation? Finally, I can't determine the timing of the rapture, but it seems clear it is either pre-trib or mid-trib. Which do you believe, and why?
Ideally I'd like to see the chronology in charts or any visual aide, but feel free to write paragraphs too.
Also if you know of a video that explains the chronology of Revelation that you found expecially insightful, please list that as well.
No, it is talking about the season when the fig tree would produce fruit. The fig tree is Jerusalem, when it is back in the hands of the Jews so that Matthew 23:39 can be fulfilled.Are you referring to the fig tree in say Matthew 24:32?
Them that would be the world & situation in general I'd say.
ok, its that assumption that its the generation from 1967 or alive in 1967 that you may well have wrong. We are now 55 years into it so a a lot needs to happen in a very short time which is why I still think your time estimate is wrong.No, it is talking about the season when the fig tree would produce fruit. The fig tree is Jerusalem, when it is back in the hands of the Jews so that Matthew 23:39 can be fulfilled.
When Jesus and the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem the passover week he would be rejected by the religious leaders and crucified, he cursed a fig tree beside the road because it had no fruit on it - it was out of season, too early.
On their way back out to go to the Mt. of Olives where they overnighted, the disciples were amazed that the fig tree had withered up and died so quickly. That cursed fig tee being the generation of Jerusalem that would reject Jesus. Later, the city and temple destroyed in 70ad, before that generation passed away. Mark 11:12-21.
Using that same symbolism, concerning the generation of Jerusalem that would see His return, to say blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, the parable of the fig tree in Matthew 24:32 is about Jerusalem, and that generation.
Jesus said concerning His return, that we would not know the day, nor hour, but the season.
In 1967, Jerusalem became back in the hands of the Jews. And that generation will see Jesus's return. We are in that season.
Matthew 24:32-51 is not something Jews (Judaism) would read about. But we as Christians do, as Matthew 24:32-51 gives us the season to be watching for the resurrection/rapture when the corruptible bodies of ours put on incorruptible eternal bodies. And death is swallowed up in victory. 1Corinthians15:51-58.
A generation is 70 years based on Psalms 90:10.ok, its that assumption that its the generation from 1967 or alive in 1967 that you may well have wrong. We are now 55 years into it so a a lot needs to happen in a very short time which is why I still think your time estimate is wrong.
How long is a generation for you? 70 years. A lot has to happen in the next 15 years, too much i'd say, way too much.
If the EU unite like that won't Russia be defeated? How then could it attack Israel?A generation is 70 years based on Psalms 90:10.
The events of the final 7 years of Daniel 9:27 come upon the world like a flood. Matthew 24:37-39.
The two critical things have to happen in the near future.
1. The formation of the ten kings (leaders) block of the EU, and the one leader over them - the little horn person. (Zelensky could be that guy)
2. Followed by the Russian/Arab alliance of Gog/Magog to attack Israel.
3. Followed by the 7 years.
We aren't told for sure in the bible why. But here is what it does say....Also, why would Russia want to attack Israel? Whats in it for them to do this?
We aren't told for sure in the bible why. But here is what it does say....
Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
....so it looks like Russia is going to be dragged into it.
It may because Israel and Syria (Assad backed by Russia) get into, Damascus destroyed, and the muslim nations react to destroy the Jewish state of Israel. But we are not told exactly why. Who knows what is going through leaders like Putin's mind?
Don't forget that Israel has to rebuild the temple, that won't happen during war time.
This is one opinion, but still not the truth as revealed in God's Word.The seven seals were sequential, as are the trumpets and the bowls of God's wrath. The sixth seals have already happened, but the seven trumpets and seven bowls of God's wrath have not.
The First Seal: Conquest
"Trajan was Roman emperor from 98 to 117. Officially declared by the Senate optimus princeps ("best ruler"), Trajan is remembered as a successful soldier-emperor who presided over the greatest military expansion in Roman history, leading the empire to attain its maximum territorial extent by the time of his death (Trajan - Wikipedia)."
The Second Seal: Civil War
“After the overthrow of the Severan dynasty [AD 235], for the rest of the 3rd century, Rome was ruled by a series of generals, coming into power through frequent civil wars which devastated the empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century).”
The Third Seal: Recession
“Internally, the empire faced hyperinflation caused by years of coinage devaluation. This had started earlier under the Severan emperors [AD 193–235] who enlarged the army by one quarter, and doubled the base pay of legionaries. As each of the short-lived emperors took power, they needed ways to raise money quickly to pay the military's "accession bonus" and the easiest way to do so was by inflating the coinage severely, a process made possible by debasing the coinage with bronze and copper.
“This resulted in runaway rises in prices, and by the time Diocletian came to power, the old coinage of the Roman Empire had nearly collapsed.
"Some taxes were collected in kind and values often were notional, in bullion or bronze coinage. Real values continued to be figured in gold coinage, but the silver coin, the denarius, used for 300 years, was gone (1 pound of gold = 40 gold aurei = 1,000 denarii = 4,000 sestertii). This currency had almost no value by the end of the third century, and trade was carried out without retail coinage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century).”
The Fourth Seal: Death
“From AD 249 to AD 262, the Plague of Cyprian devastated the Roman Empire so much so that some cities, such as the city of Alexandria, experienced a 62% decline in population. These plagues greatly hindered the Roman Empire's ability to ward off barbarian invasions but also factored into problems such as famine, with many farms becoming abandoned and unproductive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century).”
The Fifth Seal: Martyrs
“The Diocletianic or Great Persecution was the last and most severe persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. In 303, the emperors Diocletian, Maximian, Galerius, and Constantius issued a series of edicts rescinding Christians' legal rights and demanding that they comply with traditional religious practices. Later edicts targeted the clergy and demanded universal sacrifice, ordering all inhabitants to sacrifice to the gods. The persecution varied in intensity across the empire—weakest in Gaul and Britain, where only the first edict was applied, and strongest in the Eastern provinces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution).”
The Sixth Seal: Terror
Total lunar eclipse: January 26, 362 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCLEmap/0301-0400/LE0362-01-26T.gif). This eclipse was part of a lunar tetrad and was visible all around the Mediterranean.
“The Galilee earthquake of 363 was a pair of severe earthquakes that shook the Galilee and nearby regions on May 18 and 19. The maximum perceived intensity for the events was estimated to be VII (Very strong) on the Medvedev–Sponheuer–Karnik scale. The earthquakes occurred on the portion of the Dead Sea Transform (DST) fault system between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/363_Galilee_earthquake).”
Total solar eclipse: June 16, 364 (https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSEmap/0301-0400/364-06-16.gif). Also visible all around the Mediterranean.
“The 365 Crete earthquake occurred at about sunrise on 21 July 365 in the Eastern Mediterranean, with an assumed epicentre near Crete. Geologists today estimate the undersea earthquake to have been a magnitude 8.5 or higher. It caused widespread destruction in the central and southern Diocese of Macedonia (modern Greece), Africa Proconsularis (northern Libya), Egypt, Cyprus, Sicily, and Hispania (Spain). On Crete, nearly all towns were destroyed.
“The earthquake was followed by a tsunami which devastated the southern and eastern coasts of the Mediterranean, particularly Libya, Alexandria, and the Nile Delta, killing thousands and hurling ships 3 km (1.9 mi) inland. The quake left a deep impression on the late antique mind, and numerous writers of the time referred to the event in their works (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/365_Crete_earthquake).”
“The Edict of Thessalonica, issued on 27 February AD 380 by three reigning Roman emperors, made the catholicism of Nicene Christians in the Great Church the state church of the Roman Empire. It condemned other Christian creeds such as Arianism as heresies of ‘foolish madmen,’ and authorized their punishment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica).”
The sixth seal brought the Roman Empire to its knees as it cried out for a true state religion.
The Seventh Seal: Trumpets
Silence in heaven for about half an hour is an indefinite length of time here on Earth.
"But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day (2 Pe. 3:8).”
We know that the seven trumpets have not occurred yet because the rapture of the church will take place at the seventh trumpet, and that has not occurred yet. Also, the times of the Gentiles, the abomination of desolation, and the death, resurrection, and ascension of the two witnesses have not occurred yet, either. These will take place around the same time as the sixth trumpet, which makes up the 2nd woe (Rev. 11:14) with them.
"Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written: 'Death has been swallowed up in victory. Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting (1 Co. 15:51–55)?'"
"Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there will no longer be a delay, but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He announced to His servants the prophets (Rev. 10:5–7)."
"Shall I ransom them from the power of Sheol?
Shall I redeem them from death?
Death, where are your thorns?
Sheol, where is your sting?
Compassion will be hidden from My sight (Hos. 13:14)."
"Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever (Rev. 11:15).'"
The seven bowls of God's wrath follow after the seven trumpets.
"For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him (1 Th. 5:9–10)."
The great tribulation will follow the trampling underfoot of Jerusalem by the nations (times of the Gentiles) for 3 1/2 years (42 months) before the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount and the two witnesses are killed (Rev. 11:1–14).
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again (Mat. 24:21)."
It's a post-trib rapture.
God bless,
Mike
The verse does not say the length of a generation. The verse says not all will die. People today can live up to 115. The Second Coming, and final harvest will not take more than 5 years anyway, prior to the 1,000 year reign. And that is the max. Could all be over in a year. People living in 1948 still have a significant representation of the earth's population.ok, its that assumption that its the generation from 1967 or alive in 1967 that you may well have wrong. We are now 55 years into it so a a lot needs to happen in a very short time which is why I still think your time estimate is wrong.
How long is a generation for you? 70 years. A lot has to happen in the next 15 years, too much i'd say, way too much.
Because Syria is their ally. Syria would like to control the Golan heights, and more territory worth a lot to whom controls such area.Also, why would Russia want to attack Israel? Whats in it for them to do this?
No, they actually don't. Jesus can set up His own glorious throne and temple.Don't forget that Israel has to rebuild the temple, that won't happen during war time.
Yes but Russia is hardly in a position to fight 2 conflicts. Its pulling troops from all over its country and other territories, like Georgia for the Ukraine conflict. However the current conflict ends, Russia, if it survives, will need time to restock, replenish etc.Because Syria is their ally. Syria would like to control the Golan heights, and more territory worth a lot to whom controls such area.
Some wiki:
"The Golan Heights are a rocky plateau in Western Asia that was captured by Israel from Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War. The international community recognizes the Golan Heights to be official Syrian territory and widely rejects Israeli military occupation."
Yes, but the Jewish temple is where the Abomination of Desolation happens apparently, not in a shopping mall.No, they actually don't. Jesus can set up His own glorious throne and temple.
Matthew 25:31-32
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats."
Yes, the definition of a generation - whats the right number. That's the $64,000 question isn't it.The verse does not say the length of a generation. The verse says not all will die. People today can live up to 115. The Second Coming, and final harvest will not take more than 5 years anyway, prior to the 1,000 year reign. And that is the max. Could all be over in a year. People living in 1948 still have a significant representation of the earth's population.
Yes but Russia is hardly in a position to fight 2 conflicts. Its pulling troops from all over its country and other territories, like Georgia for the Ukraine conflict. However the current conflict ends, Russia, if it survives, will need time to restock, replenish etc.
If an ally like Syria decides to start a conflict itself, then it will be its own foolishness as Russia will most likely not be in a position to help.
If Russia had won decisively in 2 or 3 weeks, that would be another matter, but not now.
Yes, but the Jewish temple is where the Abomination of Desolation happens apparently, not in a shopping mall.
Yet people born before 48 are still around, and talking about the Second Coming. When no one is no longer around from that generation, then we may have some issues.Yes, the definition of a generation - whats the right number. That's the $64,000 question isn't it.
It could be 'all the people who live after the resurrection until the 2nd coming' or it could be a specific 30, 40, 70 or 120 year time period (& others in between), in which case from what event does it start?.
Lots of different views on that over the years & many proposed dates & periods have come and gone.
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