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What...? Not following...? That supposed to be some kind of joke or something...?
God Bless!
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What...? Not following...? That supposed to be some kind of joke or something...?I'm not sleeping with my father's wife.
What...? Not following...? That supposed to be some kind of joke or something...?
God Bless!
I apologize, and I do think that your probably referring to where Paul told the church to get rid of the man that was sleeping with his fathers wife, right, but what I don't know, is if that was what Paul was talking about about one of his letters making them sorrowful is related to that, is that was what he was referring to in making them sorrowful...?If you are going to quote scripture, you should know what the scripture is talking about. Then you won't be confused. And where did this mean streak in you come from, anyway. The ones you should be reprimanding are the ones who want to sin, not the ones who don't. Unless, of course, it is because it is the sinners you relate to, so attack the Christian. That seems to be a common practice on the forums.
What is the false gospel He is justifyingI’m not sure how you can justify a false gospel with this.
The gospel should be the one thing we all get right.
I apologize, and I do think that your probably referring to where Paul told the church to get rid of the man that was sleeping with his fathers wife, right, but what I don't know, is if that was what Paul was talking about about one of his letters making them sorrowful is related to that, is that was what he was referring to in making them sorrowful...?
And I'm sorry I made you sorrowful or hurt you I really truly am, but I have a duty to the the truth, and the truth is that even if you are or say you have become sinless, you should know what that truly means and what comes with that, the risks, the dangers, ect... And one of those truths is to not be hanging yours or anyone else's salvation upon it... Cause it is or should not or is not supposed to be the the number one issue necessarily...
I'll try to be a little nicer and a little better though OK, sorry...
God Bless!
What Paul was referring to is reprimanding their lack of stewardship in allowing blatant sin to be in their midst with regards to the young man who was sleeping with his father's wife (step-mother).
I don't know what you are accusing me of.
I like Paul will show the truth in scripture when blatant false doctrine shows itself about apathy toward sin.
When someone says they don't care about being obedient
just have faith in Christ, they are mocking the holiness of God. Without holiness, no man shall see God.
What was confusing to me and hurtful, is you and I seemed to be on the same path, and then out of the blue, you attack. Were you just patronizing me? And now your true colors appear. I'll take note, and not be deceived again. I've been getting a lot of that lately. I seem to have a target on my back for every role-playing, dishonest con-artist in
Tennessee.
I think we misunderstand His statements and where he's trying to go.This is a false gospel.
To say that after Christ has saved a person they are not saved yet and that they have to regenerate themselves is false.
Christ regenerates the new Child of God, seals them in the New Covenant with the Holy Spirit and creates the new creature in Christ.
Then and only then, does our will come into play. That we choose to listen and heed the Holy Spirit that convicts us of our sin and leads us in the ways of righteousness.
Do you believe if Christ has delivered you from past sins that He does not need to deliver you from present sin?This is a false gospel.
To say that after Christ has saved a person they are not saved yet and that they have to regenerate themselves is false.
Christ regenerates the new Child of God, seals them in the New Covenant with the Holy Spirit and creates the new creature in Christ.
Then and only then, does our will come into play. That we choose to listen and heed the Holy Spirit that convicts us of our sin and leads us in the ways of righteousness.
I believe it may have been a mistake, but I also know that this person should be able to share the gospel without making false statements.I think we misunderstand His statements and where he's trying to go.
But why is this? Because maybe we have our own thoughts of regeneration built around our own construct. So maybe we should ask Him where regeneration fits in His construct.
But from my understanding I believe He is saying a mere teaching of profession is not salvation....THE KEY HOWEVER MAY BE CONFESSION.
And that if a profession is without transformation then a person is most likely not saved [delivered] because salvation comes with a reality of true deliverence.
So maybe when He speaks of salvation...it's only in the light of how he presupposes the world teaches it....which in some way is false: as an axample: a mere profession without the intention of following.
So I don't neccessary believe He is teaching a false gospel. However that what is being taught doesn't transform the human heart.
And sense it doesn't then it is a false teaching. He is not speaking of true conversion. But one built on a teaching of professing, yet leaving out confessing.
I’m not sure why you are jumping into another conversation, but I would rather you not on this one. Thanks.Do you believe if Christ has delivered you from past sins that He does not need to deliver you from present sin?
And isn't Jesus the risen responsible for regeneration after He has delivered or saved you from past sins? If or since Jesus is responsible for our regeneration do you believe we take no part in this regeneration...simple because He saved you from all sin in the past?
And if you say He delivered you from all sin that includes past and present....
Then you would have to answer to scripture
that tells you : if you sin you have an advocate with the father. Do you still sin?
And if you sin do you need to repent...Or does God Make you robotically repent and you have no thought to it...so He does the repenting for you?
Another conversation? Are you saying the conversation was just between you and Him? Or that I am changing the subject ?I’m not sure why you are jumping into another conversation, but I would rather you not on this one. Thanks.
I’m sorry that you view my correction as Christian bullying. I never meant for it to seem that way or for you to feel that way.I watched a very good message on Youtube from a pastor who spoke about Christian bullying. He was very good. He said that when Christians discriminate against others on the basis of whether they are holy or not holy, then they are being spiritual bullies. He also said that when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire under Constantine, he said that unless people adopted Christianity they were treated like criminals. This is when Christianity became a bullying religion, saying, "We are the official religion and if you don't join us, you will be punished."
All though history we have seen the strongest church bullying smaller movements. The Methodists were bullied by the Anglican church, the Pentecostals were bullied by the Evangelical churches. The Charismatics were bullied by the traditional Pentecostals. The members of the Brownsville revival were bullied by the Charismatics and the Pentecostals.
The bullying consisted in throwing people out of their churches, spreading lies about them, ridiculing them, and threatening them with judgment and hell.
It happens among our own churches. We bully gays, those of difficult cultures, people who don't dress for the church in the way we think they should, those who support abortion, people who are divorced and remarried, etc. What we don't realise is that their "sins" are not better or worse than our own.
Think about this: adultery was punishable by death under the Law, which God wrote. Yet Jesus did not condemn the woman actually caught in adultery. If that woman had been a member of any of our churches, she would be thoroughly condemned with the future in hell and physically removed from the church and thrown out of the street!
It is no wonder many non-Christians don't want to come to our churches. They are afraid of being bullied by the "holy" and "spiritual" members of the church. Many so-called decisions for Christ have been made under duress - "You are a sinner and you will go to hell if you don't join our church and become a Christian." Then once the unfortunate victim becomes a member, then they are bullied into complying with the rules of that church.
"You must attend every Sunday otherwise you will go to hell."
"You must believe what is told to you without question."
"You must dress the way we tell you."
etc, etc.
My daughter won't attend a church because she said, "I don't want people telling me how to live." It is not rebelliousness on her part because she accepted the Lord of her own free will at the age of 11. No. She is afraid of being bullied into submission to a set of rules.
I think that we need to work more on getting the piece of 4X2 out of our own eyes before we try to take the speck out of another's.
We have seen the bullying on this forum, throwing condemnation bombs at others because they believe something different to what they do. I have seen divorced and remarried people, gays, atheists, mercilessly bullied and had condemnation bullets fired at them time after time.
God sees all. And when bullying happens in a church in the way I have described, and people in prayer meetings ask God to bless their church, God, who sees the bullying will definitely answer, "NOPE!"
My post wasn't directed at you. It was to show our friend of the SDA persuasion that not all SDA pastors are so strict toward others concerning the Sabbath. Although his church observed it because they saw it in God's Word for them, they did not discriminate against other Christians who chose to worship on Sundays.I’m sorry that you view my correction as Christian bullying. I never meant for it to seem that way or for you to feel that way.
My point was and is only to maintain the integrity of the gospel message. That is the beginning of my desire as well as the end.
I feel sometimes as mature Christians we can get sloppy and not maintain Biblical integrity when we share the gospel.
My only point was to maintain that integrity and encourage people to take an extra few minutes before we press “Post” and make sure our posts and theology are supported in the Bible.
I am sorry for any negative or bad feelings. That was not my intention, so please forgive if it came across that way.
Please forgive me @Oscarr .
Oh. Ok. I thought I had offended you, which is never my intention brother.My post wasn't directed at you. It was to show our friend of the SDA persuasion that not all SDA pastors are so strict toward others concerning the Sabbath. Although his church observed it because they saw it in God's Word for them, they did not discriminate against other Christians who chose to worship on Sundays.
Our SDA friend is implying that those who worship on Sundays are infidels and not genuine Christians. That is what I am describing as Christian bullying. It is "You must believe what my church believes otherwise you are going to hell".
This is the number one greatest source of my greatest frustration, and makes or causes me to do things on here sometimes, that I do not like and live with regret over and about sometimes...Look, I hear others say some sins are worse than others, ect, grievous sins, ect...
Well, what are the kinds of sins God "Hates" the most....? Proud look, haughty attitude, that would include a judgmental condemning looking down on others attitude, ect...
I'm getting sick of many so-called Christians judging me for a thing like cigarette smoking, when their sins are much worse than mine, I feel...
Their poles are all mixed up and reversed, and someone needs to turn the tables (on them) I think...
Not that my sins are unimportant, but when I see these hypocrites judging me for things like this, when their sins are much, much worse, and they do not even see it!
It's not fair, and I'm sick of it, and it's just so very wrong on so many levels...
I think I do a pretty good job in my not sinning in how I treat others, who I am on the inside, ect, things that are far more important than say cigarette smoking...
I want to scream at them, "Get your priorities straight!", and do not be judging unless you have your priorities straight...
Or they may find themselves condemned in the end...
The sins God hates most are what now again...?
Their needs to be a equalizing...
The greater and weightier matters of the Law I feel like I am keeping and do not overlook, and not like they do pretty regularly I might add, and seem to be completely blind to, I might add also...
God Bless!
This is the number one greatest source of my greatest frustration, and makes or causes me to do things on here sometimes, that I do not like and live with regret over and about sometimes...
You think I like hurting people, trying to bring them down a notch or two, no, I don't, in fact I hate it, and just really wish it wasn't necessary...
God Bless!
Thank You!, and I really mean that...I know the feeling. The way people talk about other people can be frustrating. I try to remember that’s in not my job to worry about what other people are saying. That’s a job for Jesus. My only job is to believe and have faith in Jesus. He is my only high priest and it’s his job to worry about me. I can attest, things always work out for me in spite of myself. I am very happy person , who has done well. I know I am everything the Ten Commandments says I am. This blessing of Abraham that was just given to me and I know I don’t deserve is a really good deal. I think people talk about others when they have trouble with the grace message and put their righteousness into the mix. I believe Jesus when he said “ if not by grace, but of works, grace ceases to be grace. I like to think of myself as the Canaanite woman who asked for healing for her daughter and said “ Yes lord, but even the dogs eat the crumbs that from the masters table. According to Jesus she had great faith and it was done for her even though she didn’t dersrve anything. I’ll take all of God’s grace, mercy and unmerited favor and let everyone else talk.
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