What is the best "way" to, if possible, to work toward of follow in keeping the commandments...?

[Neogaia777]

How do you know who is a true Christian and who is a hypocrite?

Honesty...? Truthfulness...? Or one who truly Loves and is very honest a lot or all the time and isn't hiding anything from anyone, or trying to hide anything from anyone, most especially God...

I'm kind of just guessing here...?

God Bless!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

That post I replied to is not about repentance or Calvinism.

The point the other poster made was that a person makes themselves into a new creation. But that is false.

God makes His Children into a new creation.

If you want to go back and read the post I replied to, it should be clearer.

The big question I am asking is this: When does the new creation happen? When the person accepts Christ? Or afterwards? And how do we know that it has actually happened?

Does Christ accept the person as soon as the person accepts Christ, and if not, what still needs to happen? The new birth? When does that happen? How do we know? What evidence do we need to see that the person has been truly born again of the Spirit of God?
When they start attending church?
Reading the Bible?
Start using Christian words and expressions?
Wouldn't even hypocrites do those things?

What are the motivations for people wanting to become Christians?
In the 4th century pagans joined the church and become Christians because they had to by Roman Law instituted by the emperor Constantine. Did that make them genuine Christians, born again of the Holy Spirit?
What about those who attend church just for social and cultural reasons, very religious on Sundays, but irreligious every other day of the week? Are they genuine Christians?
What about those who appear in every respect as genuine Christians, but behind the scenes are still practicing homosexuality, fornication, adultery, riotous living, hating people, domestic violence - never seen by others in the church? Have they been born again of the Spirit of God?
Would you say that a person who attends church every Sunday, behaves exactly like a genuine Christian, and yet is senior member of the Masonic Lodge? Has he been born again of the Spirit of God when he is subscribing to the demons who are controlling that Lodge?

 

[Porpoise]

What is the best "way" to, if possible, to work toward of follow in keeping the commandments...?

What does keeping the commandments mean to you...? What does it look like...?

And/if because if you do have a different view, then, "What is it, basically or IOW's...?"

Or some of you might think keeping the commandments is not the main point, and if so, could you explain that maybe...?

Or some of might think it/that is not the point at all, and if so, could you explain that maybe...? Or tell us what is the point then maybe...?

Is is possible to keep the commandments or not...? And, if not, should we pursue or work toward keeping them at all...? And then if so, or if that answer is yes, then, "how"...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Try reading this: Background of the Divine Mercy Devotion. It's not exactly about the 10 commandments specifically, but I think it is relevant to your questions.

 

[Neogaia777]

The big question I am asking is this: When does the new creation happen? When the person accepts Christ? Or afterwards? And how do we know that it has actually happened?

Does Christ accept the person as soon as the person accepts Christ, and if not, what still needs to happen? The new birth? When does that happen? How do we know? What evidence do we need to see that the person has been truly born again of the Spirit of God?
When they start attending church?
Reading the Bible?
Start using Christian words and expressions?
Wouldn't even hypocrites do those things?

What are the motivations for people wanting to become Christians?
In the 4th century pagans joined the church and become Christians because they had to by Roman Law instituted by the emperor Constantine. Did that make them genuine Christians, born again of the Holy Spirit?
What about those who attend church just for social and cultural reasons, very religious on Sundays, but irreligious every other day of the week? Are they genuine Christians?
What about those who appear in every respect as genuine Christians, but behind the scenes are still practicing homosexuality, fornication, adultery, riotous living, hating people, domestic violence - never seen by others in the church? Have they been born again of the Spirit of God?
Would you say that a person who attends church every Sunday, behaves exactly like a genuine Christian, and yet is senior member of the Masonic Lodge? Has he been born again of the Spirit of God when he is subscribing to the demons who are controlling that Lodge?

I would say there should be a big change for the better (and hopefully much better) of who they once were before, to who they are, and where they are, now... (with themselves) (from what they were previously) (into someone or something much better) (now) (or sometime after accepting Christ) (or before, followed up by accepting Christ at some point, depends on the person, ect)...

And of course one has to have some kind of faith and belief and I would say some kind of trust or reliance and/or dependence, in or on Christ and God now as well, and has to have or show some kind of genuine true real Love in some kind of way now, but I thought that/those was/were a given...

The or that change would be the evidence for me...

God Bless!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Honesty...? Truthfulness...? Or one who truly Loves and is very honest a lot or all the time and isn't hiding anything from anyone, or trying to hide anything from anyone, most especially God...

I'm kind of just guessing here...?

God Bless!

God knows the hearts of people, and we know our own hearts, whether we are honest and sincere or not about our Christian profession. I believe that everyone who sincerely receives Christ, repents and turns away from all willful sin, takes hold of the promises of God, opens himself to a true work of the Holy Spirit to do the new birth in him or her.

It is the person who, maybe unsure, will search his or her heart and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal anything that needs to be confessed and put right. A hypocrite will not do that, but put on the best act he or she could to convince others. But God, who sees the hearts, is not convinced.

Yet, He who sees the hearts see the honesty and sincerity of a true believer and will acknowledge that person as being truly saved.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The one thing I really have an issues with with Christians is how they mold their theology based on their own experience.

If you personally mislead yourself for 30 years in your walk with God, I am glad that you eventually have come to the truth. Praise God!

But as I read your posts, it seems based off of your experience, that you chose in your heart and mind to do is then reflected in posts as a reality for others in which you choose to respond to others based off your own biases, because of your own choices.

This is why I take most posts with a grain of salt because Christians overall are very biased and put the problems of their own Christian walk upon others.

We are not called to be bias of scripture or come to conclusion or judgement based off our own mistakes and/or spiritual failings or shortcomings.

That is lack of humility. To think that an individual or ourself is the pattern and God works the same through every other individual as He does with us.

When we realize our personal spiritual experience is personal and that God works with and through each individual according to His personal will and calling, we realize not everyone is like US and that God is a God of personal relationships and personal walks, with individual people.

Why people put their spiritual issues or shortcomings on others only confuses New Christians.

What I see is that my experience matches scripture, therefore confirming the truth of scripture. What I also see is that there are some whose experience does not match that of scripture, thus saying the scripture is wrong, rather than something missing in themselves. So which is a lack of humility? I'd say the one that tries to make scripture match their lack of experience. That is arrogance to say their experience trumps scripture.

For instance, how many do not believe 1 John 3:9, and do back-flips to prove they are right, and scripture is wrong.

 

[1stcenturylady]

That post I replied to is not about repentance or Calvinism.

The point the other poster made was that a person makes themselves into a new creation. But that is false.

God makes His Children into a new creation.

If you want to go back and read the post I replied to, it should be clearer.

You are right, it is God who kills the old nature and makes us into new creatures.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What I see is that my experience matches scripture, therefore confirming the truth of scripture. What I also see is that there are some whose experience does not match that of scripture, thus saying the scripture is wrong, rather than something missing in themselves. So which is a lack of humility? I'd say the one that tries to make scripture match their lack of experience. That is arrogance to say their experience trumps scripture.

For instance, how many do not believe 1 John 3:9, and do back-flips to prove they are right, and scripture is wrong.

Well you are probably in a very small number of Christians who doesn’t think they sin. Probably about 3%.

I would wonder why everyone else’s testimonies are so different from mine.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well you are probably in a very small number of Christians who doesn’t think they sin. Probably about 3%.

I would wonder why everyone else’s testimonies are so different from mine.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[Cnnsdc63]

The Ten Commandments and the other laws given by Moses no longer apply to those who believe Christ. Jesus Christ is the only one to keep those laws and he kept them for us. The Ten Commandments defines who we are and that we need a savior. With belief and faith in Christ , we are not under law, we are ruled by grace and mercy, because of God’s love for us. I put no faith in my obedience, I put my my faith in Jesus Christ obedience.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The Ten Commandments and the other laws given by Moses no longer apply to those who believe Christ. Jesus Christ is the only one to keep those laws and he kept them for us. The Ten Commandments defines who we are and that we need a savior. With belief and faith in Christ , we are not under law, we are ruled by grace and mercy, because of God’s love for us. I put no faith in my obedience, I put my my faith in Jesus Christ obedience.

Only those who walk by the Spirit, and thus do not sin, are not under the law. You must have the Holy Spirit who empowers you to be righteous, and He is only given to those who completely REPENT from all sin. Romans 8:9; 1 John 3:9; Galatians 5:18; Acts 2:38

 

[1stcenturylady]

Honesty...? Truthfulness...? Or one who truly Loves and is very honest a lot or all the time and isn't hiding anything from anyone, or trying to hide anything from anyone, most especially God...

I'm kind of just guessing here...?

God Bless!

And @Oscarr

Matthew 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

 

[Neogaia777]

And @Oscarr

Matthew 7:20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

So by their fruit of the Spirit, right...? Will show what Spirit they are of, ect...?

And the fruit they produce, not just in themselves, but the people around them or that they deal with as well, I would say also... Especially in a religious context, or in a church or from the pulpit, I would think... Or if they have people that "follow them" their "followers"...

Great, cool, awesome...

 

[Neogaia777]

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You know their is very clever deception out there that will try to make you think that you will be one of those "few" by your own will or works or effort(s) and if you hang it all upon your own lack or sin in your life and you own sinlessness ,ect... And then you'll start thinking you can judge others, ect, when you can't or are not supposed to, ect...

Anyway, It's a snare to many... One the Devils very clever snares and traps...

And you are clearly linking to "your own" "sinlessness", ect, regardless of whether you are truly sinless or not, that is very risky and highly dangerous...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Only those who walk by the Spirit, and thus do not sin, are not under the law. You must have the Holy Spirit who empowers you to be righteous, and He is only given to those who completely REPENT from all sin. Romans 8:9; 1 John 3:9; Galatians 5:18; Acts 2:38

Again, are you gonna hang it all on "your own" "sinlessness"...?

(Matthew 21:28-32)

Matthew 21:31- "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

For you did not believe John or the Elijah that is to come...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

@1stcenturylady , What kind of fruit do you think you are producing...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Again, are you gonna hang it all on "your own" "sinlessness"...?

(Matthew 21:28-32)

Matthew 21:31- "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

For you did not believe John or the Elijah that is to come...

God Bless!

It is going to be about ones and what's in ones heart and there personal relationship with the "True God" and not some false god... To relate to the True God, you have to be either at, or be proceeding from, the right "point of view and/or perspective"... And that's why I warn you about the danger of hanging it all on "you" or "you own" "sinlessness", ect...

Your point of view or perspective is like your approach to as, or as you are approaching God, to one or an approach He will accept or have or show mercy on or forgiveness for, and not reject, or ever cast out or away, or say He never knew, ect... It's very valuable, you don't want to lose it/that ever...

Because of the "shift in point of view or perspective issue" to "that one" (sinlessness) could interfere how you relate with or to the True God, and yourself and others... and could be risky to all of your relationships in general really, but most especially your relationship with the True God, and maybe for a god of your own making or choosing possibly, and that is just some of the danger...

God Bless!

 

[1stcenturylady]

Again, are you gonna hang it all on "your own" "sinlessness"...?

(Matthew 21:28-32)

Matthew 21:31- "Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

For you did not believe John or the Elijah that is to come...

God Bless!

Surprising unsolicited and unwaranted, hurtful accusations. Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Matthew 7:6
“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

 

[Neogaia777]

Interesting unsolicited and unwaranted, hurtful accusations. Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing?

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

2 Corinthians 7:8-10 "For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

God Bless!

 

[1stcenturylady]

2 Corinthians 7:8-10 "For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

God Bless!

I'm not sleeping with my father's wife. And you are not rightly judging me. I've done nothing to be judged about.