What is "sabbath"?

[Byfaithalone1]

The rest we receive from Jesus has to do with not having to run around trying to make ourselves acceptable to God.

I agree.

We are acceptable to God in Christ, which brings rest but this does not mean we can now break God's Law.

Men sin. This is a given whether we "can now" or not.

The fourth commandment sabbath rest and the rest that Jesus gives us are two different words which carry two different thoughts and meanings.

I basically agree. I sense that the latter is built on principles that are consistent with the former.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Last Sabbath school I said: We keep the law because we love God

I've heard this claim before, but is it actually true? Is there a person who keeps the law? If I were to keep the law as it relates to sabbath keeping, what would I do?

'If you love me you will keep my commands'

Do you equate Jesus' statement "keep my commandments" with the concept of "keep the law?"

therefore if you find it a burden to keep God's commands, dont keep them.

I respect the fact that you do not find it to be burdensome. If I were to evaluate whether it is a burden, I would need to better understand what it means to keep it.

The Sabbath is a beautiful day of rest.

OK. I can accept that. And I don't want to rob you of anything that you find beautiful. I am just curious how a person would find the beauty that you see. What would he do?

I challenge you to show me this...

My conclusion was shaped in part through a thoughtful read of the book of Galatians, allowing the context to speak to the meaning of the passage. For example, when I was thinking about whether God's rest is limited to a specific day, I found Galatians 4:8-11 to be compelling. That's just one example.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

To me, the sabbath is not a given day, but entering into His rest. Be blessed.

I view it similarly.

BFA

 

[k4c]

Originally Posted by kenblaster5000

To me, the sabbath is not a given day, but entering into His rest. Be blessed.​

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I view it similarly.

BFA

The entire OT and NT speak of the day as a literal day. Not only this but the fourth commandment tells me that my farm animals need to cease labor, as well as, my sons, daughters, servants and strangers. A farm animal can't enter into spiritual rest.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The entire OT and NT speak of the day as a literal day. Not only this but the fourth commandment tells me that my farm animals need to cease labor, as well as, my sons, daughters, servants and strangers. A farm animal can't enter into spiritual rest.

We agree that, for the children of Israel, it was a literal day. Per Exodus 31, it was the sign of the covenant between God and Israel. Per 2 Corinthians 3, Hebrews 8 and Galatians 3-4, that covenant no longer exists. Even so, per Hebrews 4, the principle of rest remains.

I suppose I will now hear about how I am uninterested in "truth."

BFA

 

[solja247]

I've heard this claim before, but is it actually true?

i believe it to be true. I know old adventists who want cook on the Sabbath, to them its not a burden, but something they do because they love God and they think they are doing what is right.

Do you equate Jesus' statement "keep my commandments" with the concept of "keep the law?"

Very much so. In the NT we see Jesus deliberately break the mosaic numerous of times but He does not break the Sabbath commandment.

Is there a person who keeps the law?

Yes I believe so. Some people do. As someone once said to me, 'Keeping the commandments is not very hard, they are rather easy rules., but if one of the ten commandments was; thou shall not watch TV, it would be rather hard to obey the law.'

If I were to keep the law as it relates to sabbath keeping, what would I do?

I ask myself the same question. If I keep the Sabbath should not go to a restaurant on the Sabbath or should I? Should I go swimming on the Sabbath or should I? etc. How you keep the Sabbath is between you and God. There is only one commandment thou shall not work on the seventh day. Keep the Sabbath on how you feel convicted to keep it.

OK. I can accept that. And I don't want to rob you of anything that you find beautiful. I am just curious how a person would find the beauty that you see. What would he do?

I have never been asked this question. Perhaps I am niave. Maybe the Sabbath for some is a joy others it is a burden. Just like some like tennis and others basketball. But since you asked for my opinion this what I beleve.

The most important thing to remember that the Sabbath is a day of REST! Rule number one. Forget about that assesment or that major presentation you have to do on Monday. The Sabbath is for you. Forget about it. You are going to find it a burden, if all you think about is what you have to do after sabbath.

Rule number 2. Get out of the house! Staying at home all day can be incredibly boring. Sabbath will be a burden if you keep it by yourself. So church is ussally a good place to go or the beach or the park or something. When Sabbaths are longer. you cant spend 8-9 hours at home. You need to get out go for a picnic or something.

Rule number 3. Be laid back, its a joyous day. Have fun and dont be stressed out.

Thats how I believe Sabbath can be a joyous day.

 

[solja247]

8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

This is not reffering to the Sabbath day. The Jews celebrated a hell of a lot of days, thats all Paul is talking about.

 

[dugger]

We have foung the Sabbath to be a delight. Being raised a Baptist/ fundementalist, we watched as Sabbath observers were mocked. In this enviroment the thought of obeying the fourth command never entered my mind. We pass oit Gospel tracts on a regular basis and through that The LORD showed us that Sabbath is a real thing...and we love it.

The thing that sometimes gets over looked is the Yahweh God established Shabbat at creation. It was sanctified from the beginning-Praise God!!!

We believe like the last poster who said it should be a work free, care free day that is why we have our memorial service on Friday evening.

On a different note if anyone sees a character called Duckybill, tell him dugger finally made it here!

 

[StormyOne]

We have foung the Sabbath to be a delight. Being raised a Baptist/ fundementalist, we watched as Sabbath observers were mocked. In this enviroment the thought of obeying the fourth command never entered my mind. We pass oit Gospel tracts on a regular basis and through that The LORD showed us that Sabbath is a real thing...and we love it.

The thing that sometimes gets over looked is the Yahweh God established Shabbat at creation. It was sanctified from the beginning-Praise God!!!

We believe like the last poster who said it should be a work free, care free day that is why we have our memorial service on Friday evening.

On a different note if anyone sees a character called Duckybill, tell him dugger finally made it here!

Sabbath established at creation? How did you arrive at that conclusion? While the narrative suggests that God rested, there seems to be no directive to Adam or Eve to rest.... there was a directive given to resist the urge to eat from the tree in the middle of the garden, but no directive to rest. It seems that if the Sabbath was established in the garden that the directive would have been issued along with the one about the tree..... do you care to clarify?

 

[k4c]

We agree that, for the children of Israel, it was a literal day. Per Exodus 31, it was the sign of the covenant between God and Israel. Per 2 Corinthians 3, Hebrews 8 and Galatians 3-4, that covenant no longer exists. Even so, per Hebrews 4, the principle of rest remains.

I suppose I will now hear about how I am uninterested in "truth."

BFA

The seventh day of creation is a literal day. It was blessed, sanctified and called holy even before sin was in the world. It was created for mankind, not Jewish people. To this very day we still have a seven day week.

The seventh day was a sign of creation and it's Creator first but if God wants to use keeping the Sabbath holy as sign marking His people, of which I am, that's His right but it does not nullify the fact that the seventh day is still a blessed, sacred and holy day of which Jesus is Lord of and people and working animals are to honor by ceasing from secular labor.

Read through this if you truly want to know the truth.

http://exposingantichrist.com/Arguments.html

 

[k4c]

We have foung the Sabbath to be a delight. Being raised a Baptist/ fundementalist, we watched as Sabbath observers were mocked. In this enviroment the thought of obeying the fourth command never entered my mind. We pass oit Gospel tracts on a regular basis and through that The LORD showed us that Sabbath is a real thing...and we love it.

The thing that sometimes gets over looked is the Yahweh God established Shabbat at creation. It was sanctified from the beginning-Praise God!!!

We believe like the last poster who said it should be a work free, care free day that is why we have our memorial service on Friday evening.

On a different note if anyone sees a character called Duckybill, tell him dugger finally made it here!

Praise God...

Keeping the Sabbath holy, as God commands, is a blessing and is one of many marks that point us out as a people of God.

When a person has been born again it's hard for them not to keep the commandments of God because God's Spirit lives inside them. Deception is what causes God's people to stray away from God's will.

 

[Avonia]

Keeping the Sabbath holy, as God commands, is a blessing and is one of many marks that point us out as a people of God.

That Sabbath affects our identity is one of the more damaging mythologies in Adventism.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

That Sabbath affects our identity is one of the more damaging mythologies in Adventism.

And, sadly, other groups as well.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Oops. Double post. Sorry.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

The seventh day of creation is a literal day.

Yes.

It was blessed, sanctified and called holy even before sin was in the world.

For whom?

It was created for mankind, not Jewish people.

It was a sign between God and Israel.

To this very day we still have a seven day week.

To this day, we still have all of the cycles described in Leviticus 23.

When a person has been born again it's hard for them not to keep the commandments of God because God's Spirit lives inside them.

The whole world is a prisoner to sin. We do that which we do not want to do because sin lives in us. All sin. There is no truth in the man who claims to be without sin.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Welcome, Dugger.

We have foung the Sabbath to be a delight.

Fantastic! I am happy for you. I would not wish to rob you of such a blessing.

Per the subject of this thread, can you explain what you do differently on the seventh day of the week?

Being raised a Baptist/ fundementalist, we watched as Sabbath observers were mocked.

Huh? Mocked? Perhaps you've not yet experienced the disdain that certain sabbatarians have toward those who attend church on Sunday. In fact, the SDA denomination claims that one day non-sabbatarians will receive the mark of the beast. In light of my past experience, I find your statement to be quite ironic indeed.

The LORD showed us that Sabbath is a real thing...and we love it.

Enjoy it in peace.

The thing that sometimes gets over looked is the Yahweh God established Shabbat at creation.

This is not a factual statement. The first reference to the sabbath is found in Exodus 16. This is also the first time we have any evidence of men behaving differently on the seventh day.

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Consider this history of the COI.

Deut 5:26,27
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?

27 Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.

Joe

 

[Restin]

Originally Posted by k4c

The seventh day of creation is a literal day.​

Yes.

In the Bible I read....the 7th day of creation IS NOT a literal day, at least NOT LIKE the other six being literal days. The 7th day of creation is NOT identified with 'evening and morning' like the other six days.

For God creation is not a continuous cycle of working six days and resting one day...as was given to Moses at Sinai! When God 'rest' on the 7th day...He is forever 'finished' with His work of 'creating'!

 

[k4c]

I know I'm probably wasting my time but I reply once again.

Byfaithalone1; Yes.

For whom?

According to Jesus, the Sabbath was made for man.

It was a sign between God and Israel.

We are the Israel of God.

To this day, we still have all of the cycles described in Leviticus 23

Just say you don't want to obey the fourth commandment.

The whole world is a prisoner to sin. We do that which we do not want to do because sin lives in us. All sin. There is no truth in the man who claims to be without sin.

BFA

You need to read Romans 6...

 

[k4c]

In the Bible I read....the 7th day of creation IS NOT a literal day, at least NOT LIKE the other six being literal days. The 7th day of creation is NOT identified with 'evening and morning' like the other six days.

For God creation is not a continuous cycle of working six days and resting one day...as was given to Moses at Sinai! When God 'rest' on the 7th day...He is forever 'finished' with His work of 'creating'!

That's a very weak attempt to avoid keeping the seventh day holy. All throughout the Bible and even to this very day the seventh day is identified and underfstood to be a literal day.

When God speaks of the seventh day He calls it a day. A day has been defined by God as from evening to morning in the chapters preceeding Genesis 2.

Genesis 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.

Luke 23:54-56 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near. And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.