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What is our Inheritance?

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Many Christians misinterpret Romans 9:6-8 to infer that we gentile Christians in the Body of Christ, just because thru Christ, we are justified by faith like Abraham was, thus can consider Abraham also to be our "father of faith", can now qualify to be true Israel.
But belief in God and the acceptance of the Salvation offered by Jesus; DOES mean Christians are the Israelites of God, Literally - the Overcomers for Him.
Isaiah 51:7-8 Listen to Me, My people, those who know what is right, you that lay My instructions to heart and do not fear the taunts of the enemy. For they will be like a garment eaten by moths, but My saving power will last forever.

My people, those who know what is right, you that lay My instructions to heart:
Can only be every born again Christian person.
Proved by Isaiah 51:1-2…you that seek the Lord, consider Abraham to be your father and Sarah your mother; you are their increase…. Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:14-16
 
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But belief in God and the acceptance of the Salvation offered by Jesus; DOES mean Christians are the Israelites of God, Literally - the Overcomers for Him.
Isaiah 51:7-8 Listen to Me, My people, those who know what is right, you that lay My instructions to heart and do not fear the taunts of the enemy. For they will be like a garment eaten by moths, but My saving power will last forever.

My people, those who know what is right, you that lay My instructions to heart:
Can only be every born again Christian person.
Proved by Isaiah 51:1-2…you that seek the Lord, consider Abraham to be your father and Sarah your mother; you are their increase…. Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:14-16

Unless Jacob is somehow your father, you cannot be part of Israel.

Abraham has many other children other than with Sarah (Genesis 25:1-4), so being Abraham's seed alone is not sufficient to be part of Jacob/Israel.
 
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Galatians 3 (I would think that this verse is so well known I wouldn't have to post this, but apparently..)
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Yet you guys think we have a separate destiny from the Jews? Why? You believe you spend ETERNITY somewhere else than them.
and worse still, you believe that Jesus is with you, the gentiles, separated from His own people including His Earthly Mother and Adoptive Father?

Degreek yourself. This idea that you want to spend eternity as a spirit in a spirit realm and not be a part of the recreated physical Universe is so Plato and Greek it makes me want to vomit.

God did not create the material world inherently evil and the spirit world inherently good. God created both spirit and flesh as holy and very good.

it was a SPIRITUAL BEING that tempted flesh to sin.
Never forget that.

Humans were created BODY FIRST and then became a living soul.
Never forget that.

God intended us from the beginning to be both Corporeal and Spiritual beings living in a physical universe stewarding His creation and having dominion of it, and that plan did not change.
 
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Unless Jacob is somehow your father, you cannot be part of Israel.

Abraham has many other children other than with Sarah (Genesis 25:1-4), so being Abraham's seed alone is not sufficient to be part of Jacob/Israel.
I am a descendant of Abraham ......as is every other person alive today. The mathematics of genetic dispersion proves that.
But who is a true Israelite of God, is discerned from their belief in God and trust in Jesus. Which cuts out most of the people group who call themselves Jews.
Any theory or doctrine which promotes Jewish Israel as the chosen peoples, is wrong and is made to support false teachings.
 
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This idea that you want to spend eternity as a spirit in a spirit realm and not be a part of the recreated physical Universe is so Plato and Greek it makes me want to vomit.
I do not view Revelation 21 to 22:1-4, as being physical for Eternity. That idea is in fact; impossible. Revelation 22:4 ....there will be no sun, only the Light of God....as His servants shall reign for ever.
 
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I do not view Revelation 21 to 22:1-4, as being physical for Eternity. That idea is in fact; impossible. Revelation 22:4 ....there will be no sun, only the Light of God....as His servants shall reign for ever.
Revelation 22:4
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

You mean 5, but still
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
Doesn't say the sun won't exist, just that we won't actually need it.
 
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I am a descendant of Abraham ......as is every other person alive today. The mathematics of genetic dispersion proves that.

But who is a true Israelite of God, is discerned from their belief in God and trust in Jesus. Which cuts out most of the people group who call themselves Jews.
Any theory or doctrine which promotes Jewish Israel as the chosen peoples, is wrong and is made to support false teachings.

If you want to believe you can be Israel, without having Jacob as your father, no one can stop you from having that belief.
 
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Yet you guys think we have a separate destiny from the Jews? Why? You believe you spend ETERNITY somewhere else than them.
and worse still, you believe that Jesus is with you, the gentiles, separated from His own people including His Earthly Mother and Adoptive Father?

See Ephesians 1:10. Israel will reign on Earth (Zechariah 8:23), the Body of Christ will reign in the heavens (1 Corinthians 6:3).
 
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If you want to believe you can be Israel, without having Jacob as your father, no one can stop you from having that belief.
No different to the mixed race peoples currently occupying a small part of the Holy Land and falsely calling themselves Israel.
The real, true Israelite peoples are those who are Overcomers for God, as Jacob was. Just as the faithful Christian peoples are.
the Body of Christ will reign in the heavens (1 Corinthians 6:3).
That scripture does not prove that humans will go to heaven. Many scriptures say such a thing is impossible.
 
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No different to the mixed race peoples currently occupying a small part of the Holy Land and falsely calling themselves Israel.
The real, true Israelite peoples are those who are Overcomers for God, as Jacob was. Just as the faithful Christian peoples are.

That scripture does not prove that humans will go to heaven. Many scriptures say such a thing is impossible.

If you want to judge angels while on earth, I wish you the best
 
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If you want to judge angels while on earth, I wish you the best
Paul does not say when the angels will be judged. You make the wrong assumption that it happens in heaven. But there will be no Judgment of individuals; angels or humans, until after the Millennium, when all those whose names are found in the Book of Life, will be immortalized. All the rest are goneburgers.
 
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See Ephesians 1:10. Israel will reign on Earth (Zechariah 8:23), the Body of Christ will reign in the heavens (1 Corinthians 6:3).
God is going to be on Earth.
so yes, angels can be judged on a New Earth.

Greek Dualism is ridiculous and needs to be violently amputated from Christian Theology.
 
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To Whom Was the Kingdom Given? Matthew 21:43
In Romans 3:1-2 Paul admits that the Jews were a favored people "chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God, which is an obvious reference to all the twelve tribes at Sinai. It is of these same people that he refers in the words "who are Israelites" in Romans 9: 3-5. These Jews, these Israelites, limited God's promises to a literal nation, as Anglo-Israelites has done, but the kingdom was taken from them for reasons we may list from New Testament references as follows:
Rom. 2:24. The name of God was blasphemed by Gentiles because of Jewish inconsistency. Luke 16:1-12. The Jews had completely failed as God's stewards. Matt. 21:33-44; Isa. 5:7. They did not bring forth the fruits of God's kingdom—judgment and righteousness.

Paul's agony over his unrepentant kinsmen is clearly seen in Romans 9:3, and in verse 8 he states explicitly: They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Jew, which is one outwardly, is not a Jew. . . . But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly.
Romans 2:28-29 That is, any believer who accepts the covenant promises is a spiritual Jew or Israelite and an inheritor through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus. The promise of heirship of the world was not for Abraham alone; but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead.

In God's sight there is now; neither Jew nor Greek . . . : for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be in Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:26-29

Thus it is: that the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. Romans 9:30

The great apostle to the Gentiles gives the reason for the withdrawal of covenant privileges from the people of Israel, or the Jews, and their bestowal on the Gentiles:
It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing as you rejected it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, so now we turn to the Gentiles. Acts 13:36

For this reason another apostle spoke of the Gentiles who had entered into covenant relation with Christ in these terms:
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy (1 Peter 2:9, 10).

1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God.
Jews, ethnic Christ rejecting Israelites.
Gentiles, all the godless peoples of the world.
The church of God, individual true Christian believers from every tribe, race, nation and language.

Clearly the kingdom promises were taken from the unbelieving Jewish nation —the church of God in Christ's day—and given to believing Gentiles and Jews—God's elect in every nation. To twice-born men, regardless of race, and to them alone, now belong: the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, . . . and the promises. Romans 9:30

The Dispensation theory is based on the same fallacy committed by the Jews, or Israel, of Christ's day. They limit God's covenant promises and blessings to be a literal nation, or nations, whereas they belong to every man in Christ Jesus.
 
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God is going to be on Earth.
so yes, angels can be judged on a New Earth.

Greek Dualism is ridiculous and needs to be violently amputated from Christian Theology.

Its a simple literal reading of Ephesians 1:10. That verse even contains the word you oppose to, dispensation.

If you have a different interpretation of that verse, that is fine, but that does not mean the alternative view is therefore "ridiculous". Learn to agree to disagree.
 
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Its a simple literal reading of Ephesians 1:10. That verse even contains the word you oppose to, dispensation.

If you have a different interpretation of that verse, that is fine, but that does not mean the alternative view is therefore "ridiculous". Learn to agree to disagree.
Yeah, you don't do a simple reading, you excise out the "he might gather together in one all things in Christ" part. Everything is unified, even Gentiles and Jews.

But I guess you just can't bear to be physical and have to share a world with Jews so you have to separate yourself from them.
 
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Yeah, you don't do a simple reading, you excise out the "he might gather together in one all things in Christ" part. Everything is unified, even Gentiles and Jews.

You focused on the wrong part.

That verse literally says 2 locations, one in heaven and one on Earth.
 
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You focused on the wrong part.

That verse literally says 2 locations, one in heaven and one on Earth.
no I'm focused on the right part, the unity in Christ.
Those things in Heaven and on Earth are not separated. They're unified.
Heaven joins with Earth in the recreation of all things.
 
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no I'm focused on the right part, the unity in Christ.
Those things in Heaven and on Earth are not separated. They're unified.
Heaven joins with Earth in the recreation of all things.

So you think there is no difference between heaven and Earth in terms of location, alright then.

If you encounter another who interpret that verse as saying there is a difference, you would call it "ridiculous"?
 
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So you think there is no difference between heaven and Earth in terms of location, alright then.

If you encounter another who interpret that verse as saying there is a difference, you would call it "ridiculous"?
Yes.
what makes heaven heaven is the presence of God, and God lives on Earth in the new Creation, among men.

Revelation 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
 
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