what is OSAS?

[platzapS]

what is OSAS? and what are the (if any) opposing views to this idea?

 

[Ioustinos]

Originally posted by platzapS
what is OSAS? and what are the (if any) opposing views to this idea?

OSAS - Once Saved Always Saved

Basically it states that once one comes into Salvation through Jesus Christ, that Salvation cannot be lost or taken away.

There are others who believe that one can loose or give up their Salvation after they have received it from Jesus Christ.


If you want you can do a search of this topic within this board and you will find MANY threads discussing this very topic.

God Bless

 

[MizDoulos]

Have moved the thread here from Harmartiology for further discussion.

 

[seangoh]

Originally posted by platzapS
what is OSAS? and what are the (if any) opposing views to this idea?

My opposing view is IF now being a Christian and saved for that matter, i start to curse everything i see about Christianity including Christ and His Word, i burn the Bible for all to see, i renounce my faith and say it's a hoax, i go to prostitutes, i go murder some policemen, i go kill some pets, then i die....

You think i'll be in heaven? If yes, then i'll kill you and all the people in heaven when i get there.
If no, then u're right.

I know it's rather crass but had to bring my point across.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by platzapS
what is OSAS? and what are the (if any) opposing views to this idea?

"Once Saved Always Saved" is the idea that a Christian won't go to Hell, period. Once the magical transformation occurs, where the person is now "saved," meaning they become a True Christian, they are going to Heaven, period.

This does not reflect reality nor is it Biblical, unless you misinterpret certain Scriptures and ignore the vast amount of Scriptures that contradict this idea.

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Matt. 7:18 - Jesus says that sound trees bear good fruit. But there is no guarantee that a sound tree will stay sound. It could go rotten.

Matt. 7:21 - all those who say "Lord, Lord" on the last day will not be saved. They are judged by their evil deeds.

Matt. 12:30-32 - Jesus says that he who is not with Him is against him, therefore (the Greek for "therefore" is "dia toutos" which means "through this") blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. This means that failing to persevere in Jesus' grace to the end is the unforgivable sin against the Spirit. We must persevere in faith to the end of our lives.

Matt. 22:14 - Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God's banquet, but was cast out.

Luke 8:13 - Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.

Luke 12:42-46 - we can start out as a faithful and wise steward, then fall away and be assigned to a place with the unfaithful.

Luke 15:11-32 - we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as "alive again."

John 6:70-71 - Jesus chose or elected twelve, yet one of them, Judas, fell. Not all those predestined to grace persevere to the end.

John 15:1-10 - we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don't bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die.

John 17:12 - we can be given to Jesus by the Father (predestined to grace) and yet not stay with Jesus, like Judas.

John 6:37 - those who continue to come to Jesus He won't cast out. But it's a continuous, ongoing action. We can leave Jesus and He will allow this because He respects our freewill.

John 6:39 - Jesus will not lose those the Father gives Him, but we can fall away, like Judas. God allows us not to persevere.

John 6:40 - everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person "continues" to believe. By continuing to believe, the person will persevere will be raised up.

John 6:44 - Jesus says no one can come to me unless the Father "draws" him. This "drawing" is an ongoing process.

John 10:27-28 - when Jesus says, "no one shall snatch them out of my hands," He does not mean we can't leave His hands. We can choose to walk away from Him.

Rev. 3:4 - in Sardis, Jesus explained that many people received the white garment and soiled it with sin.

Rev. 3:5 - Jesus says whoever conquers will not be blotted out of the book of life (see Exodus 32:33). This means that we can be blotted out.

Rev. 3:11 - Jesus says to hold fast to what we have, so that no one may seize our crown. Jesus teaches us that we can have the crown and lose it.

Rev. 13:10; 14:12 - we are called from heaven for the endurance and faith of the saints, keeping the commandments and faith.

Rev. 21: 7 -we must conquer in order to share in our heritage and become a true son of Jesus.

Rev. 22:19 - we can have a share in the tree of life in God's holy city and yet have that share taken away from us.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

http://www.catholic.com/library/Assurance_of_Salvation.asp

 

[Jephunneh]

Originally posted by platzapS
what is OSAS? and what are the (if any) opposing views to this idea?

The Bible calls OSAS everlasting life and eternal life.

A truly saved person is secure because his hope is within the veil, the priestly work of Christ (Heb. 6:19).

Hebrews 6
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

 

[RevKidd]

My opposing view is IF now being a Christian and saved for that matter, i start to curse everything i see about Christianity including Christ and His Word, i burn the Bible for all to see, i renounce my faith and say it's a hoax, i go to prostitutes, i go murder some policemen, i go kill some pets, then i die....

Seangoh, you were never saved to begin with... well that's what OSAS people will tell you.....

 

[seangoh]

Originally posted by Leviathan
Seangoh, you were never saved to begin with... well that's what OSAS people will tell you.....

You can't fault me.....just looking through the eyes of a OSAS person.

 

[Ioustinos]

Originally posted by seangoh
You can't fault me.....just looking through the eyes of a OSAS person.

Not looking through the eyes of OSAS but through the eyes of scripture. For scripture says that those who have been saved will bear fruit of the spirit and what you describe were not fruits of the spirit as describe in Galatians So if any one faults you it is scripture.

God Bless

 

[Ioustinos]

Originally posted by s0uljah


This does not reflect reality nor is it Biblical, unless you misinterpret certain Scriptures and ignore the vast amount of Scriptures that contradict this idea.

But could it be you who misinterpret certain scriptures?

 

[eldermike]

Just for clarity and because the issue was wrongly explaind, I post this.
OSAS is a doctrine that has nothing to do with what a person does after salvation as it is wrongly framed here. You can't attack it if you can't describe it. Also, websites that attack the views of others lose my attention very quickly. Only comment I will make about the website is they don't know what the doctrine means, so how can they attack it?

Ok, OSAS means only this. That God alone can save man. It has nothing to do with us, it's about God, not us. It means nothing more. The opponents of this doctrine use scripture that deals with actions of man to debate it. This draws little attention from the ones that hold this teaching because it;s not about us, again, it's about the nature of God.

So, OSAS = A doctrine about the Nature of God in Salvation. Man is a sinner, Sin seperates us from God, God forgives man. If God didn't forgive me in sin I would not know Him. If this is ture then man cannot save himself, thus we have to decide something. If I am a sinner and God contacts me, elects me in sin then something had to happen, I was forgiven. It's not something I did, it's about God, not about me.

You don't have to believe this. It's a teaching within out Christian community. It's held by many Christians who are your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Let's discuss our views but let us do it some grace and Christian Love.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by eldermike
Just for clarity and because the issue was wrongly explaind, I post this.
OSAS is a doctrine that has nothing to do with what a person does after salvation as it is wrongly framed here. You can't attack it if you can't describe it. Also, websites that attack the views of others lose my attention very quickly. Only comment I will make about the website is they don't know what the doctrine means, so how can they attack it?

Ok, OSAS means only this. That God alone can save man. It has nothing to do with us, it's about God, not us. It means nothing more. The opponents of this doctrine use scripture that deals with actions of man to debate it. This draws little attention from the ones that hold this teaching because it;s not about us, again, it's about the nature of God.

So, OSAS = A doctrine about the Nature of God in Salvation. Man is a sinner, Sin seperates us from God, God forgives man. If God didn't forgive me in sin I would not know Him. If this is ture then man cannot save himself, thus we have to decide something. If I am a sinner and God contacts me, elects me in sin then something had to happen, I was forgiven. It's not something I did, it's about God, not about me.

You don't have to believe this. It's a teaching within out Christian community. It's held by many Christians who are your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Let's discuss our views but let us do it some grace and Christian Love.

Mike-

So you think that people have nothing to do with their own salvations?

Yes or No?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Jesaiah
But could it be you who misinterpret certain scriptures?

No, because as the Scripture tells me, I don't interpret it for myself. I rely on the Pillar of Truth that the Bible points to, The Church.

 

[Jephunneh]

The Bible calls OSAS everlasting life and eternal life.

The Bible says that you can receive Christ by BELIEVING on His name (Jn. 1:12).
He paid for your sins, and by CLAIMING Him as your Savior--resting in His finished Blood Atonement for your sins--you can be saved!
Romans 4:5 says, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Ephesians 2:8-9 says that you are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH, not by your works.
God is not wanting you to do good works to get to Heaven, for there is none that doeth good (Rom. 3:10). "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (Rom. 3:23) You do not need God to judge your good deeds and your evil deeds; you need a SAVIOR to save you from your sins. Jesus Christ is the Savior. If you'll call upon Him for Salvation, trusting Him Alone to save you, He'll save you and give you eternal life. It's that simple. "For if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Rom. 10:9) Romans 10:13 says, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

 

[eldermike]

So you think that people have nothing to do with their own salvations?

Yes, humble yourself and ask Jesus to come in and be Lord over our lives.

If you are asking me if I think we must do something to retain it.

No.

Question for you:

If Jesus is Lord of your life, where will He take you?

 

[Ioustinos]

Originally posted by s0uljah
No, because as the Scripture tells me, I don't interpret it for myself. I rely on the Pillar of Truth that the Bible points to, The Church.

I rely upon the teachings of the church also

 

[Jephunneh]

And therein do ye err.

 

[AndOne]

Originally posted by s0uljah
No, because as the Scripture tells me, I don't interpret it for myself. I rely on the Pillar of Truth that the Bible points to, The Church.

Where in scripture does it say this?

BTW - since the member's of POD are all protestant - your position would be that they are all going to hell - so why quote them?

 

[Bruno]

Originally posted by seangoh
My opposing view is IF now being a Christian and saved for that matter, i start to curse everything i see about Christianity including Christ and His Word, i burn the Bible for all to see, i renounce my faith and say it's a hoax, i go to prostitutes, i go murder some policemen, i go kill some pets, then i die....

You think i'll be in heaven? If yes, then i'll kill you and all the people in heaven when i get there.
If no, then u're right.

I know it's rather crass but had to bring my point across.

Good point!!