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This is the way I'm working it on my end. The Pope, Mariology and praying to souls of the dead and to angles is nowhere in scripture and nowhere in early church (first to third/fourth century) writings by the church fathers of that time period. The traditions and practices of zillions of Christians form umpteen denominations, doesn't change that fact. Also it seems likely to me that there's something wrong with a system, when simply stating facts and asking probing questions is called an attack.You really wouldn’t. There are several members on this forum who are much more learned than I am, some of them in this thread. @Der Alte @ViaCrucis @Valletta @Jipsah @MarkRohfrietsch @dzheremi @Andrewn and @prodromos come instantly to mind as men whose intellect, erudition and personal piety towers above mine. My view is simply this: the Roman Catholic church, the manner in which you are expressing a disagreement with it, has the effect of also constituting a disagreement with the remainder of the oldest and largest churches within Christendom, namely the Eastern Orthodox (second largest, 290 million members, approximately), the Anglican Communion (120 million-150 million members), the Lutheran churches (75-90 million) and the Oriental Orthodox (about 60 million including forty million Ethiopians and Eritreans, 10 million Coptic Orthodox, about six million Armenians, and a balance of around four million Syriac Christians, mostly Mar Thoma Christians or Nasranis, as they are known in Hindu, living on the Malabar Coast of India and in the diaspora, with about a million or so in Suroye (Syriac or Assyrian) in the Middle East, predominantly Syria, Iran and the Holy Land, since most of those in Turkey were murdered, and in and the diaspora.
Thus, my request is that if you must frame your arguments in a way that includes all of these churches together with the Roman Catholic Church, that you do so in a manner which at least recognizes that the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, and so on, do not promote the doctrine of Papal Supremacy, because of course they do not. It just comes across as being demeaning of our respective churches, including the Roman Catholic church, if one articulates an argument that fails to differentiate between us. It feels like a rehashing of the continued tired polemics by a minority of Protestants against the Roman Catholics that, in a logical fallacy, group all of the other traditional liturgical churches together with the Roman Catholics because we happen to be liturgical and have certain similarities in the way in which we worship. It devalues the unique beauty of each individual church, and there is real beauty in all of these churches. I love the Roman Catholic church. I am not Roman Catholic, and due to recent actions of Pope Francis which I am adamantly opposed to I doubt I ever will be Roman Catholic, but there is beauty there. However, it is a distinct church from the Eastern Orthodox, which are distinct from the Oriental Orthodox, and the Lutherans, and the Anglicans, and while I believe these churches can and should be unified on the basis of their shared apostolic tradition (as opposed to a false unity around certain constructs of liberal theology), the distinct liturgical and devotional identity of these churches makes each one quite distinctly beautiful.
If I am incorrect in my conclusions then you and others including those you called out, should be able to easily prove me wrong with compelling and or inarguable evidence and facts.
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