What is Jesus Saving us from ?

[Ivan Hlavanda]

to understand what we are being saved from you will first need to cast aside all the theologies and doctrines of men you presently hold to ...

Why you not sharing the gospel to Newway? He is seeking God, share the good news.

 

[honey badger]

Why you not sharing the gospel to Newway? He is seeking God, share the good news.

i am ... just not the the one you are ...

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

i am ... just not the the one you are ...

There is only one gospel. The gospel that was shared by the apostles who saw resurracted Jesus.

 

[nightmares]

God created us, so He has every right to tell us what to do, and it is our duty to obey.



Well if you disobey God, you are making yourself a gof because you are saying you know better than Him.

Furthemore, you reject God, but expect Him to accept you?

And what exactly is the point of God creating us if we have to obey or die. Does God want scared people who have no free will

And I did not reject God, I reject this unworkable idea that if we don't do what he says, even once, we are dead

And also what is the point of God creating us only to tell us what to do. He'd be better off doing it himself

 

[honey badger]

There is only one gospel. The gospel that was shared by the apostles who saw resurracted Jesus.

Paul referenced two ... as in he referred to it as another, although not another ... the gospel preached today is this other ...

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

And what exactly is the point of God creating us if we have to obey or die. Does God want scared people who have no free will

God created us so we can have a loving relationship with Him. Not that He needs us, because God is self sufficient. When God created the world, there was no sin, no pain, no evil, no sadness, it was perfectly good. But we rejected God, and when you reject good, guess what happens...just turn off the light and you will see.

And I did not reject God, I reject this unworkable idea that if we don't do what he says, even once, we are dead

Death is consequence of sin. God is life you reject life and guess what happens.

And also what is the point of God creating us only to tell us what to do. He'd be better off doing it himself

Does God have not right whatever He wants?

 

[nightmares]

Is obey or die a loving relationship

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Paul referenced two ... as in he referred to it as another, although not another ... the gospel preached today is this other ...

Only One Gospel
Galatians 1 6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert[a] the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed

Where do you see 2nd gospel? And what is it?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Is obey or die a loving relationship

So you want God to force us to love Him? Thats not love. Humanity could have freely chose be in a relationship with God, they rejected Him.

God is indeed love, and because He is, He must be just, and sin must be punished.

God is so loving that He gives everything He has in order to redeem us, bad bad God. And you still reject Him. What more do you want God to do?

If I tell a girl I love her but she rejects me, can I then force her to love me? No.

 

[honey badger]

Only One Gospel
Galatians 1 6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert[a] the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed

Where do you see 2nd gospel? And what is it?

this other gospel is the gospel which has been perverted ... it is not of grace or of Christ but of men ... you cant see it because its all you know ...

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

this other gospel is the gospel which has been perverted ... it is not of grace or of Christ but of men ... you cant see it because its all you know ...

You are twisting the words, it clearly says that there is no other gospel.

Do you even know what the gospel is?

 

[nightmares]

So you want God to force us to love Him? Thats not love. Humanity could have freely chose be in a relationship with God, they rejected Him.

God is indeed love, and because He is, He must be just, and sin must be punished.

God is so loving that He gives everything He has in order to redeem us, bad bad God. And you still reject Him. What more do you want God to do?

If I tell a girl I love her but she rejects me, can I then force her to love me? No.

If a girl rejects you, you don't kill her

And yes, obey or die is forcing people to love him. Is that not what you are saying

 

[honey badger]

You are twisting the words, it clearly says that there is no other gospel.

Do you even know what the gospel is?

there is but one gospel as there is but one God, albeit another is preached ...

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

If a girl rejects you, you don't kill her

But God is life, you are rejecting life.

And yes, obey or die is forcing people to love him. Is that not what you are saying

But God told Adam and Eve what will happen when they disobey. God told them they could eat from every tree except from one or they will die. They chose to disobey.

You say you believe in God, then why do you reject what He says?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

there is but one gospel

So why dont you share that Gospel?

albeit another is preached ...

Which is false 'gospel'...it isn't even gospel, because there is only one

 

[nightmares]

But God is life, you are rejecting life.



But God told Adam and Eve what will happen when they disobey. God told them they could eat from every tree except from one or they will die. They chose to disobey.

You say you believe in God, then why do you reject what He says?

Well the traditional interpretation of that is "if you eat from the tree I will kill you"

I don't believe that. My interpretation is that God knew eating from the tree would kill them (it was Satan's tree after all) and God was warning them in much the same way you would warn your children to avoid a malevolent stranger

 

[honey badger]

So why dont you share that Gospel?

Which is false 'gospel'...it isn't even gospel, because there is only one

i am ... but to hear it you will have to put aside all these doctrines of men you hold to ... i see the gospel of Christ and i can see this other gospel you hold to ... and the reason it is not another is because the gospel is a narrative of our souls journey of a there and back ... as in a scattering and a gathering and these two not separate from each other ...

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Well the traditional interpretation of that is "if you eat from the tree I will kill you"

I don't believe that. My interpretation is that God knew eating from the tree would kill them (it was Satan's tree after all) and God was warning them in much the same way you would warn your children to avoid a malevolent stranger

When God created everything, everything was good. The tree wasnt evil but God told them not to eat from it as it was a tree of knowledge of good and evil. There was no evil in Adam and Eve, but they had a choice, and they chose to be their own god by telling to God 'we know better than you'.

You know what is the biggest evil? If loving God is the greatest commandment, then not to love God is the greatest evil. In God you reject everything good, you reject life, you reject the loving relationship with God and all remains is evil.

Sinc God is just, all sin must be punished. So either God punishes you the sinner, and it will be just, or God punishes someone who is without sin, a perfect substitute and payment for debt of sin.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

i am ... but to hear it you will have to put aside all these doctrines of men you hold to ... i see the gospel of Christ and i can see this other gospel you hold to ... and the reason it is not another is because the gospel is a narrative of our souls journey of a there and back ... as in a scattering and a gathering and these two not separate from each other ...

1 Cor 2 2 For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Share Jesus crucified and resurracted. It is what the apostles shared.

 

[nightmares]

Nah. Adam and Eve stayed well away from the tree when left to their own devices.

They made their choice. Unfortunately it wasn't respected and they were entrapped into eating

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