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What Is Highly Esteemed?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Minister Monardo, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    Luke 16:15. And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men,
    but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination
    in the sight of God.

    Has a self-improvement culture polluted a Christ-centered life?
    What about the role of "higher education"?
    What are common choices that can corrupt virtue?
    Have we quenched the Holy Spirit with modern western culture?


    James 4:10. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.
     
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  2. timothyu

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    Just putting our will ahead of God's is high esteem enough to condemn ourselves
     
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    In other words, "once saved, always saved". People who don't believe "once saved, always saved" esteem themselves better than others because they don't think they sin as much as the other guy so, therefore are more deserving of salvation because of their good deeds and righteous acts and their own righteous ability to do good and be good. But they're in for a rude awakening over on the other side when Jesus says to them, "I never knew you. Depart from me ye workers of iniquity."
     
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    1 Samuel 16:7
    But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

    Proverbs 16:5
    Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished.

    1 Peter 3:4
    but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

    Jeremiah 17:10
    “I the Lord search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.”

    1 Peter 5:5
    Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

    1 Corinthians 4:5
    Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

    Acts 15:8
    And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,

    Proverbs 21:2o
    Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

    1 Chronicles 29:17
    I know, my God, that you test the heart and have pleasure in uprightness. In the uprightness of my heart I have freely offered all these things, and now I have seen your people, who are present here, offering freely and joyously to you.

    Revelation 2:23
    and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.

    Luke 11:39
    And the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness.

    Luke 10:29
    But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

    Matthew 23:25-27
    “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.

    Matthew 23:5o
    They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long,

    Psalm 7:9o
    Oh, let the evil of the wicked come to an end, and may you establish the righteous— you who test the minds and hearts, O righteous God!

    2 Chronicles 6:30
    then hear from heaven your dwelling place and forgive and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his ways, for you, you only, know the hearts of the children of mankind,

    Romans 3:20
    For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.


    John 2:25
    and needed no one to bear witness about man, for he himself knew what was in man.

    Luke 20:47
    who devour widows' houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.”
     
  5. Agallagher

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    Has a self-improvement culture polluted a Christ-centered life?
    I do not know. All I know is God can work through life experiences and bring people to His son Jesus Christ. Also God is able to even write on the hearts and minds of people, according to what hebrews says. How that is done is probably through the experiences they have in life and all I know is that God is able to do.

    What about the role of "higher education"?

    I do not know.

    What are common choices that can corrupt virtue?
    Lying to yourself and others, manipulation, false security, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, greed and choices like these.

    Have we quenched the Holy Spirit with modern western culture?

    The world is what it is. People live in it, have freedoms of choices, just like ones above. We are only accountable for our relationship to God alone and not others to hold our accountable in a joint-account. We in our relationship with God are alone in the faith we express towards him.

    If we make choices like the ones mentioned above we can quench the spirit, and backpeddal ourselves back to square one. It seems like a very long ladder an individual has to climb, but it is not to become better than someone else, yet to become closer and closer to God as we live and build our spiritual body up, in faith and in love towards others.
     
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    Which in turn backs us away from the self serving, self justifying ways of man that our world is built upon, ways held in higher esteem than the contrary ways of the Kingdom.
     
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  7. Minister Monardo

    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    Mark 9:35. And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, If anyone desires to be first,
    he shall be last of all and servant of all.

    "In Christ" implies accountability to those we fellowship.
    Romans 15:
    15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep.
    16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things,
    but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
    This may seem a bit veiled, but much of higher education is training to make offerings to idols,
    worldly gods, in a worldly system, built on worldly wisdom.
    1 Corinthians 8:
    1 Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge.
    Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
    2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
    3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

    A most subtle character flaw! The Lord showed me that I was quite good at it. I have since come
    to learn that it is something everyone does at some level in an attempt to be in control of their life,
    or just selfishly trying to always get their way. As you become more discerning, you see how laughable
    and transparent some people are in trying to control you! This requires patience and mercy, understanding that we are no better, and in meekness try to correct others.
    2 Corinthians 10:6. and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
    Galatians 6:1. Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such
    a one in a spirit of meekness and gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

    Brother, I really appreciate your level of enthusiastic involvement on the forums, and a clear
    intent to build up others, while sharing in divine knowledge, wisdom and understanding as we
    grow in it! Keep it up, and always inspire!



     
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    Galatians 5:13. For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use
    liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
     
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    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    John 5:
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    I do not receive honor from men.
    42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
    43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another
    comes in his own name, him you will receive.

    44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek
    the honor that comes from the only God?
     
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    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    To overcome the carnal desire to receive the approval of others requires a circumcised heart.
    Romans 2:29. but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

    Galatians 1:10. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet
    pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


    1 Thessalonians 2:4. But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel,
    even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.
     
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    Minister Monardo I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

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    2 Corinthians 10:
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    But he who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
    18 For not he who commends himself is approved, but whom the Lord commends.

    Glory Only in the Lord
    1 Corinthians 1:

    26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty,
    not many noble, are called.
    27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen
    the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
    28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
    29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
    30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
    31 that, as it is written, He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.
     
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