What is "hell"?

[Wheeler]

It is an Old English word substituted for "Sheol", "Hades", "Gehenna"and "Tartarus." "Sheol" and "Hades" refer to the same place and "Tartarus" is the depth of the same place. The final judgment place, the Lake of Fire, is not even called "hell"......but "hell" gets thrown into it. In Ecclesiastes, we find the very definition of "Sheol" or "Hades:"

(Eccl 9:10 KJV) Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

If the KJ translators would've kept their translation straight, it would've read ".....nor wisdom, in HELL, whither thou goest." The translators used the word "hell" in the Old Testament 31 times for the word "Sheol" and also 31 times they used "grave."

We all know,on the surface, there is no work, no reasoning, no knowledge, no wisdom in the grave or "hell".....so why point all this out if there wasn't a deeper, hidden meaning? Just 2 verses later in Ecclesiastes, we find:

(Eccl 9:12 KJV) For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.

Who was caught in an evil net.....who has been snared in an evil time? The church has:

(Rev 2:10 KJV) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Paul warned the church in tears for 3 YEARS because he knew this would happen:

Acts 20: 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Why did Jesus say he has the keys to "hell".....Hades.....and death to the churches? It means the church can be let out only by Jesus....who has the victory over his enemies. The gates of "hell".....Hades will not prevail:

(Mat 16:18 KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The church has been lying in the condition of having no spiritual knowledge, wisdom, and reasoning. Without these things, there are no righteous works. Jesus described this condition as "night." The church has been "asleep" at night....men do not work at night:

(John 9:4 KJV) I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

There will no longer be any "night" of the church when the Lord comes to redeem us from this condition:

(Rev 22:5 KJV) And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[angelmom01]

(John 9:4 KJV) I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

That's one I hadn't noticed before. THANKS!!

 

[angelmom01]

Just posted this earlier on another thread, thought you might get something out of it given some of the connections that you are making here.

Pro 15:24 The way of LIFE IS ABOVE ((to the wise)), that he may depart from HELL BENEATH.


Isa 14:9 HELL FROM BENEATH ((is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming)): it stirreth up THE DEAD for thee, even ((all the chief ones)) OF THE EARTH; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.


John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are FROM BENEATH; I am FROM ABOVE: ye are OF THIS WORLD; I am NOT OF THIS WORLD.


Jer 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant OF THE DAY, and my covenant OF THE NIGHT, and ((that there should not be) DAY AND NIGHT ((IN THEIR SEASON));


Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not WITH DAY AND NIGHT, and if I have not appointed the ordinances OF HEAVEN AND EARTH;


Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and THE GATES OF HELL shall not prevail against it.


Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders IN HEAVEN ((ABOVE)), and signs IN THE EARTH ((BENEATH)); blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:



(I don't know why I am losing some of the *spaces* between my words every time I hit submit, but I have tried to fix it and re-type it 7 times already and it still pushes some of the words together )

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Hell is seperation from God, first in this life, and then in the ultimate seperation from the Living One, eternal death.

 

[pippa]

Hell is seperation from God, first in this life, and then in the ultimate seperation from the Living One, eternal death.

can anyone answer the question of, not exactly 'what is hell?', (as it gets confusing, to me, about sheol, hades etc) but what is the punishment for unbelievers? is it to be thrown into a lake of fire and physically be burned for eternity? is it literal fire? is it the fire which never goes out, or the burning person which never goes out? or is it just satan and the beast and prophet who are tormented forever. or is it annihilation, no consciousness? or is it separation from God, conscious, in mental torment for eternity? in other words, what is hell like??

and can you back up your view with scripture please? thanks.

pippa

 

[Wheeler]

Yes, I like this verse:

Pro 15:24 The way of LIFE IS ABOVE ((to the wise)), that he may depart from HELL BENEATH.

The wise depart from "hell" beneath....they depart from the condition of having no knowledge, no wisdom, no righteous works. That is why Jesus tells the churches that he has the keys to "hell" and death....so that those of the church may depart from "hell" beneath.

The churches have been tested by Satan....just as he asked for permission and tested Job....just as he asked and tested Peter....tested as "wheat" though...meaning we were to stay in the "wheat" status. "Sheol" is derived from a root word (shaal) which means "to ask, to demand, to lay to charge, to desire".....Satan asked and received permission to test the church (tribulation: "....ye shall have tribulation ten days:")....foreshadowed by Job. Satan tested Jesus as well....so he has tested the church....his body. This is why there are a thousand denominations...and many different ways to interpret the Scriptures....we have been scattered and our languages confounded....like the builders of Babel....."Babylon" = "confusion."

The church...his body...has followed the pattern of Christ....his suffering, his death, and eventually his resurrection. The Lord will heal us of the effects of the trial by Satan.... we will be revived and gathered together in one mind:

Hosea 6: 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

The church has been in "Hades.'

The Jewish people have also been....but "Gehenna" is more descriptive of their condition. They have (temporarily) suffered in this life a separation from their God and His kingdom (in outer darkness). Jesus warned the Jewish leaders back then of the impending judgment that they were about to suffer. Said to the Pharisees:

Matthew 23: 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

"...the damnation of hell"....the judgment of Gehenna....which is the "valley of Hinnom".....the "valley of lamentation"...a spiritual condition of weeping and gnashing of teeth.....because they received not yet the promises. John the Baptist warned them also:

Matthew 3: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
10 And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

The Valley of Hinnom's sons, Gehenna, was a place where children were burned as sacrifices to Moloch. By not believing and receiving Jesus as their Messiah, they caused the judgment to affect all those after them.....they caused their "children" to also go through the fire....Gehenna....because of their actions. They had made them "twice the child of hell"....of Gehenna:

(Mat 23:15 KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

(Luke 23:28 KJV) But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

 

[SpiritDriven]

The Doctrine of Hell was devised by Satan.

The purpose was to have people striving and working and doing to try and attain right standing with God....so they rejected Gods Gift of righteouseness....and put the rest of the people off God altogether.

Hence only 1 in 6 people on the Earth today are Christian, so it has worked pretty well for him.....

Incidently, on more than one occasion in the Bible God is declared the saviour of all.....but very few believe it.

Those few are the ones Jesus spoke of finding the narrow Gate....

 

[Gary51]

The Doctrine of Hell was devised by Satan.

The purpose was to have people striving and working and doing to try and attain right standing with God....so they rejected Gods Gift of righteouseness....and put the rest of the people off God altogether.

Hence only 1 in 6 people on the Earth today are Christian, so it has worked pretty well for him.....

Incidently, on more than one occasion in the Bible God is declared the saviour of all.....but very few believe it.

Those few are the ones Jesus spoke of finding the narrow Gate....

There are over two billion Christians in the world today... One third of the earths population.

Are you saying, they are the few who find the narrow gate?

I don't think two billion is a few!!

 

[Fireinfolding]

Yes, I like this verse:

Pro 15:24 The way of LIFE IS ABOVE ((to the wise)), that he may depart from HELL BENEATH.

Amen!!

HE is **THE WAY** THE TRUTH and **THE LIFE** THE WAY OF **LIFE**

Ephes 4:9 **NOW** that he ascended, ~what is it~ but that he also DESCENDETH **FIRST** ~into~ the lower parts OF THE EARTH?

Isaiah 14:9 HELL BENEATH IS OF THE CHEIF ONES OF THE EARTH


John 8:23 YE are FROM BENEATH; I AM from ABOVE: YE are of THIS WORLD; I AM NOT of THIS WORLD.

HE is FROM ABOVE = YE are FROM BENEATH

Isaiah 14:9 HELL FROM BENEATH ~is moved for~ THEE to MEET THEE at THY COMING: IT ~stirreth up~ THE DEAD ~FOR THEE~, ***EVEN*** ALL THE CHEIF ONES OF THE EARTH; it hath raised up from their thrones ALL THE KINGS OF THE NATIONS

The DEAD were those NOT having HIS LIFE IN THEM.

John 6:53 Jesus said UNTO THEM, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, YE HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU.

HELL BENEATH = YE are FROM BENEATH called THE GATES OF DEATH.

Psalm 9:13 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I **SUFFER OF** THEM ~that~ HATE **ME**, ~THOU that liftest me up from~ THE GATES OF DEATH:

ITS OF THIS WORLD = He that HATETH his brother ABIDITH IN DEATH

John 15:18 If THE WORLD HATE YOU, ye know that IT HATED **ME** ~BEFORE~it HATED **YOU**.

You little children have OVERCOME THEM, or OVERCOMING THE WORLD is overcoming A THEM (that HATE ME).

The wise depart from "hell" beneath....they depart from the condition of having no knowledge, no wisdom, no righteous works. That is why Jesus tells the churches that he has the keys to "hell" and death....so that those of the church may depart from "hell" beneath.

I agree To be carnally minded IS DEATH (its great HATRED toward God) and to HATE ones brother is to ABIDE IN DEATH.

Your observations are my own but you have added to mine on a certain level here, so I praise God.

The REALM of the DEAD (those who were shown as dead) were physically living folks abiding IN DEATH (that which John says) we have PASSED FROM (Death UNTO LIFE) evidenced of LOVE in us verses that attributed to "the gates of death" (hate).

The DEAD know not anything, 1Titus 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure IS DEAD ~while she liveth~. (Pleasures of this world CHOKE the word) it beareth NO FRUIT (which is BY CHRIST).

THE LIVING ~know~ THEY WILL DIE. 2Cr 4:11 For WE WHICH LIVE are alway DELIVERED UNTO DEATH for Jesus' sake, ~that~ THE LIFE ~also of Jesus~ might be made **MANIFEST IN** our mortal flesh.

We have a body OF THIS DEATH (to be carnally minded) changed into being spiritually minded is as death swallowed up IN LIFE = HIS (manifested in our MORTAL bodies)

Dead people bury dead people.

Luke 9:59 he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer **ME** first to go and BURY my father.

Prov 9:18 BUT **HE** KNOWETH NOT thatTHE DEAD are **THERE** ; and that her guests are IN THE DEPTHS OF HELL.

Luke 9:60 **LET** THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD: but GO THOU and preach the kingdom of God.

One makes converts to hell (Wherein they are children of) the other preaches the Kingdom of God (wherein they are children of).

Heres something men are NOT AWARE OF (He KNOWETH NOT) concerning the LOWER REGIONS (even in the EARTH) Where He did descend. That which is UNSEEN (or APPEARS NOT).

Luke 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for YE ARE AS **GRAVES** which **APPEAR NOT**, and THE MEN that **WALK OVER THEM** are NOT AWARE of THEM.

Theres a covenant with night (John interchanges night, darkness and death) spiritually speaking (even the earth speaks to it) as well (earthly) verses heavenly. It shows a covenant with night and day as well as a covenant with death being in *agreement with** hell.

Jerm 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with DAY and NIGHT, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of HEAVEN and EARTH;

The apostle says ye are Children OF THE DAY and not being of THE NIGHT (under darkness) OF the City = YE are a CITY and theres NO NIGHT **THERE**

Its the PASSING FROM DEATH (used interchangeable with darkness) unto LIFE and becoming NO MORE OF "the darkness" nor "of the night". As there is a covenant with night the same is shown in regards to the covenant of death. One is shown as "a season" the other "dissanulled" The words are used interchangeably by John.

Isaiah 28:15 We have made a covenant with DEATH, and with HELL are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Here it is being voided

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with DEATH shall be disannulled, and your agreement with HELL shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

HE is the one with the KEYS of HELL and DEATH = No man cometh to the FATHER (or passes from death unto life except by HIM. HES the WAY of LIFE thats from ABOVE to DEPART from hell (shĕ'owl) and to PASS FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE

He says to Peter I shall give unto you the keys of the Kingdom. Yet Peter shows an entrance into the Kingdom is a MINISTERED ENTRANCE into it.

2Peter 1:11 For so AN ENTRANCE SHALL BE **MINISTERED UNTO YOU** abundantly **into** the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Rev 3:8 I know thy works: ((( BEHOLD )) I have **SET BEFORE THEE** AN **OPEN DOOR**, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Here...

Col 1:13 Who HATH DELIVERED US from the power **of darkness**, and **HATH TRANSLATED US** ~into~ the kingdom of his dear Son:

Who WAS IS and IS TO COME...

2Cr 1:10 Who DELIVERED US (PAST) from so great **a death**, and DOTH deliver (PRESENT) ~in whom~ we trust that he WILL YET DELIVER (FUTURE) us;

The church...his body...has followed the pattern of Christ....his suffering, his death, and eventually his resurrection. The Lord will heal us of the effects of the trial by Satan.... we will be revived and gathered together in one mind:

Hosea 6: 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Which is what I been finding, He said this (keeping in mind) that Jesus learned obedience through the things HE SUFFERED and he suffered OF THEM that SAY I LOVE GOD but hated Him who they saw. Those who were thinking they were doing God a service (not a diservice). Just as John says, if they ~SAY~ "I love GOD" but HATE their brother they are A LIAR. Who ~SAY~ SAY~ SAY~ we are Jews (which is a Jew inwardly) and DO LIE. Who ~SAY~ SAY~ SAY~ I LOVE GOD but HATE their brethren. These Abide IN DEATH (even Darkness STILL) even NOW (while they live). We pass FROM Death unto LIFE we been called... "wake up o Sleeper and rise from the dead" is spoken to the physically living who are spiritually dead.

Death

1John 3:14 We know that we HAVE PASSED FROM DEATH ~unto~ LIFE, ((( because ))) WE LOVE ~the brethren~. He that LOVETH NOT ~his brother~ ABIDETH IN DEATH

Darkness (used interchangeable)

1John 2:9 He that **SAITH** he is in the light, and HATETH ~his brother~, ~IS~ IN DARKNESS even UNTIL NOW.

A LYING Spirit is in THE MOUTH.

Prov 26:28 A lying tongue **hateth** ~those~ that are afflicted by it

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you ~out of~ the world, **therefore** the world **hateth you**.

So although he has chosen his own out of the world, he doesnt take them out of the world. We are in it but not "of it" the furnace of affliction is through which He choses them.

Isaiah 48:10 (((Behold)) I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

1Thes 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

2Titus 1:18 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

1Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Many are the afflictions of the righteous

So if a LYING SPIRIT is in THE MOUTH which might SAY one thing but DO ANOTHER (as shown above). Its of those who PROFESS they KNOW GOD (Or SAY they are Jews but DO LIE). They PROFESS to KNOW GOD (not that they do NOT) it was THEIR DEEDS they denied Him in.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue (a gathering place) of Satan, which ~say~ THEY ARE Jews, and ARE NOT, but DO LIE; (((behold))) I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and **TO KNOW** that I have loved thee.

Rom 2:29 But he IS a Jew, which is one **INWARDLY**; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and **NOT** in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

1Peter 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, **AFTER THAT** YE HAVE SUFFERED **A WHILE**, **MAKE YOU PERFECT**, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Isaiah 51:22 Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, (((Behold)) I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; THOU SHALT NO MORE DRINK IT AGAIN

Isaiah 51:23 But I will put it INTO THE HAND **OF THEM **that AFFLICT THEE; which have said to THY SOUL, Bow down, that we may go over: and THOU HAST LAID THY BODY AS THE GROUND, and as the street, **TO THEM** that went over.

2Thes 1:6 Seeingit is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation **TO THEM** that TROUBLE YOU;

I had to cut this in half

Yes Yes I know my colors get unnerving, I will try not to do this again LOL

Peace

Fireinfolding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

2Thes 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation **TO THEM** that TROUBLE YOU;

I had to cut this in half

Yes Yes I know my colors get unnerving, I will try not to do this again LOL

Peace

Fireinfolding

Promises, promises LOL.

BTW!!! I would say they did get "recompensed".

Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Promises, promises LOL.

BTW!!! I would say they did get "recompensed".

Ezekiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday To day and for ever Tribulation and anguish will be upon every soul of man that doeth evil FIRST for the Jew and then the gentile right?

 

[pippa]

The Doctrine of Hell was devised by Satan.
quote]
thats not stated in the bible. the bible says God created it for the wicked angels.

 

[angelmom01]

The Doctrine of Hell was devised by Satan.

thats not stated in the bible. the bible says God created it for the wicked angels.

Hi pippa, just to clarify, spiritdriven said "the doctrine" of hell (not "hell" itself)

So may I ask you what you think the Bible says about hell? And how that relates to "hades" and/or "Gehenna"?

 

[angelmom01]

Wheeler, may I ask you what (who) you consider "the church" (the "body") of Christ?

 

[angelmom01]

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday To day and for ever Tribulation and anguish will be upon every soul of man that doeth evil FIRST for the Jew and then the gentile right?

AMEN!!

Psa 90:4 For A THOUSAND YEARS in thy sight are but as YESTERDAY ((when it is past)), and as a watch IN THE NIGHT.

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, TODAY, after so long a time; as it is said, TODAY if ye will HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Doctrine of Hell was devised by Satan.
quote]
thats not stated in the bible. the bible says God created it for the wicked angels.

That would imply wicked Christians then.

James 5:6 Ye condemn, Ye Murder/efoneusate <5407> the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.

Revelation 9:21 And not They reform/repent/metenohsan <3340> (5656) out of the Murders/fonwn <5408> of Them, nor out from their sorceries,...........

 

[Fireinfolding]

AMEN!!

Psa 90:4 For A THOUSAND YEARS in thy sight are but as YESTERDAY ((when it is past)), and as a watch IN THE NIGHT.

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, TODAY, after so long a time; as it is said, TODAY if ye will HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.

Yep He is the same

~YESTERDAY~ TO DAY~ AND ~FOR EVER~

The DEAD (Who know not anything) Hear His voice in the ~TO DAY~

Job 8:9 For WE are but OF YESTERDAY and know nothing, because ~our days~ upon earth are a shadow

Psalm 90:12 So teach us to number ~our days~, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

Angelmom, look up "our days"

 

[Fireinfolding]

That would imply wicked Christians then.

James 5:6 Ye condemn, Ye Murder/efoneusate <5407> the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.

Revelation 9:21 And not They reform/repent/metenohsan <3340> (5656) out of the Murders/fonwn <5408> of Them, nor out from their sorceries,...........

Welp, it did say the FORGIVEN servant BECAME the WICKED servant revealed in that parable The one who beat his fellowservant for their tresspasses. It wasnt the one who tresspassed that gave account but the one who forgave not his trespasses.

I guess the saying is true Forgive IS AS WE forgive and so shall your heavenly Father do unto you (being handed over to the tormentors= Spirit of fear) if you dont forgive your brother from your heart.

Then again... if that wicked servant sayeth (in his heart) his Lord delayeth his coming (appears one is expecting it here) and does the same thing (beat his fellow servants) being cut a portion with the hypocrits and coming when he (specifically isnt looking for him) is quite interesting... how would he "miss that" advent if all see it together?

 

[Tkjjc]

The Doctrine of Hell was devised by Satan.

The purpose was to have people striving and working and doing to try and attain right standing with God....so they rejected Gods Gift of righteouseness....and put the rest of the people off God altogether.

Hence only 1 in 6 people on the Earth today are Christian, so it has worked pretty well for him.....

Incidently, on more than one occasion in the Bible God is declared the saviour of all.....but very few believe it.

Those few are the ones Jesus spoke of finding the narrow Gate....

 

[Tavita]

Fantastic posting going on in this thread guys!

I can hardly believe how 'asleep' I've been. My hubby and I have been reading through and we are amazed!

Keep up the good work...