What is hell?

[mont974x4]

I am not looking for contradictions (I believe the Bible is perfect and without such contradictions) I am looking at the whole of Scripture to keep things in context and also keep those verse in context with the character of God.

At this time, yes only God is immortal as defined by Strongs. That does not change what will come.

I will bid you good day as I do not wish to discuss this with someone who assumes the spiritual maturity level of others. I did not attack you, as you did me, I merely pointed out your view was too narrow. It does not take into account the whole of Scripture or the full character of God. I was trying to encourage a fuller view and I apologize that I did not do that well.

I do pray that you are richly blessed in your walk with Him.

 

[JPPT1974]

It is the most awfullest place
In the world if you reject Christ
As your Savior & Lord! Hate to say
I told you so to those that unbelieve
Because I would want them in heaven
And believe that Christ is the one and only way
To salvation.
Praying for the loss to become saved!

 

[HypoTypoSis]

Simply put, I find no scriptural basis for man having a soul and being immortal.

In fact, everywhere I look in scripture I find evidence for just the opposite:

1 Corinthians 15:53-54, "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."


Indeed, man IS a soul; he does NOT HAVE a soul.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

assumes the spiritual maturity level of others.

No assumption to it. It's called discernment. And it's based upon what comes out of your mouth (keyboard, as it were).

 

[holdon]

1 Corinthians 15:53-54, "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

This speaks of the change of the body, not the soul.

 

[Easystreet]

Separation form everything - Outer Darkness - No light - no contact with life or other lost people. All alone completely.

Now that is Hell un-thinkable It is what I believe the bible is telling us.

Gordon

 

[HypoTypoSis]

This speaks of the change of the body, not the soul.

First off, the two terms, body and soul, are synonymous.

Second, we are promised new bodies. There is no way these old disease ridden death carrying bodies we have now can ever come into the presence of God.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

Separation form everything - Outer Darkness - No light - no contact with life or other lost people. All alone completely.

Now that is Hell un-thinkable It is what I believe the bible is telling us.

Gordon

That is myth and hearsay born of humanist New Age neo Universal/Unitarian thought and has absolutely no foundation in scripture.

 

[holdon]

First off, the two terms, body and soul, are synonymous.

No, they're not. As I showed you this verse before in post #72:

"Mt 10:28 be not afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but fear rather him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. "

Second, we are promised new bodies. There is no way these old disease ridden death carrying bodies we have now can ever come into the presence of God.

That's right: that's why we get new bodies. See 1 Cor 15.

 

[Bruisedreed]

hypo,
One of the things you are missing here when you say that the soul of all men is not imortal and quote the "who only hath immortality" reference to Jesus is the scriptural doctrine that life is in the Lord Jesus alone. Scripture teaches that all who are not saved, ie. "in Christ Jesus" are DEAD, right now, period. That does not mean that the unsaved have no awareness of any thing though. In a nutshell as surely as a true Christian has everlasting life life, right now, an unbeliever has everlasting death, right now, or the reverse of imortality though they have awareness.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

No, they're not. As I showed you this verse before in post #72:

"Mt 10:28 but fear rather him who is able to destroy both memories and body in the grave. "

God does this by calling back to Him HIS breath of life which is the life force of all living things and without which no thing has life.

Ecclesiastes 9:5, "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."

When God calls His breath of life back to Him what was man no longer has memory-sentience-and all that remains is a corpse returning to dust.

The dead "know nothing"-they have no sentience, no memories.

The dead "have no more reward".

Eccl 9:5 makes it plain, as many other passages, that (aparat from Jesus) there is nothing immortal about man-man is mortal--all of man, which is dust + God's breath of life-and nothing more.

Genesis 2:7, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

dust + breath of life = A living soul. NOT body and soul.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

Scripture teaches that all who are not saved, ie. "in Christ Jesus" are DEAD, right now, period.

That's correct.

The ONLY thing keeping them alive is God's breath of life and when He calls that back to Him there is NOTHING remaining that is left alive.

Man is NOT a self-sustaining immortal being in ANY sense of the word.

God said when He calls His breath of life back to Him all that is left is dust.

That means there is "no" anything else. no life, no memories, no body (a rotting corpse returning to dust), no immortal soul.

The very term "immortal soul" is a contradiction in Christian terms that implies Jesus' sacrifice was unnecessary.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

Neither the unsaved nor the saved have "immortal souls".

The physical bodies of both are sustained by God's breath of life.

When He calls His breath of life back to Him there is nothing left. Nothing.

What makes us, the saved, different from the unsaved is that upon salvation each of us now IS a "spirit" presently in this physical body.

And when this body dies we no longer have need of it for we are then entirely, and nothing more, spirit.

One day, my Lord shall return and when He calls I shall hear Him and awaken and I, a spirit, shall come when He calls, into the air to meet Him.

At that time I shall be a spirit higher than the angels and dwelling with and in the very presence of God.

What do I need with my old sin-ridden rotted to dust death filled body that could not come anyway into the presence of God of which all that dust that remained was long since destroyed to nothingness when God burnt to nothing the whole of creation before creating a new one?

The term, "new body" as in, God will give us a "new body" is not found in scripture.

What is found in scripture is "new creature".

 

[CooL_Genesis]

When Jesus was raised from the dead, he still bore the scars on his hands and feet and the piercing of his side was still evident as Thomas was told to thrust his hand into it so he would believe that Christ had risen..

Remember, that all are resurrected for the Judgement according to Revelation, in which there will be a second death for the unsaved. This second death is the seperation from God or the casting of the unsaved, Satan and his angels into the lake of fire where their torment will be eternal. If the unsaved are currently "dead" (yet physically living as we know it) and resurrected for the Judgement why is it so hard to believe that they'll experience a second death (casting away from God), yet be aware of it for eternity?

This is primarily why I believe the Bible when it not only tells me there is everlasting Life, but everlasting damnation. The Bible says so in numerous verses. The saved may not remember these poor spirits anymore... but I believe God is just to eternally punish as he just to eternally reward. Scripture plainly states it.

-Genesis

 

[HypoTypoSis]

When Jesus was raised from the dead...-->

...-->can you point to the scriptures between His resurrection and ascension when He was not in that nail scarred body?

 

[HypoTypoSis]

all are resurrected for the Judgement according to Revelation

I haven't found solid evidence for that yet.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

This second death is the seperation from God

I haven't found any scripture to support that as plainly as the unscriptural claim itself above so plainly asserts.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

there will be a second death for the unsaved.

I haven't found any scripture that states this as plainly as you have.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

the casting of the unsaved, Satan and his angels into the lake of fire

Not sure there is any scripture that explicitly states that as you have.

 

[HypoTypoSis]

where their torment will be eternal.

haven't found any scripture that states that as possitively as you have.