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The direct context is healing and pulling sheep out of pits. How can we use these examples as well as Christ statement that it's lawful to do good to understand what "doing good is"? You're quick to tell me I'm wrong but seem reluctant to define goodness which is the crux of the op.

When I read a passage regarding rescuing sheep it typically is a massive hint that Christ is not actually taking about sheep or physical life, he's taking about salvation. Do you disagree with this? What does "pulling sheep out of pits" exactly look like when we view it as a salvation metaphor?
 
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It doesn't matter what you or I agree with. The Pharesees setting their own rules outside of God's prescription would have agreed among themselves also. That lot was better than this.
Very true, but you think what you believe is scriptural and is telling us and I am wrong and vice versa. So, we debate and never convince each other.
 
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Very true, but you think what you believe is scriptural and is telling us and I am wrong and vice versa. So, we debate and never convince each other.
No I don't think what I believe is scriptural nor do I share what I believe.
 
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Context speaks of emergencies and things that are needful. Cutting grass is neither. Helping her with meals would be. Or maybe taking her to a doctor appt. Or maybe if she had a dog, making sure it got took out to use the bathroom. Or stopping by to help her get outside and get some fresh air. Or maybe if her toilet was overflowing and she called. Swing by and take care of that. Or if she was bedridden and soiled herself, help her with that. Cutting her grass does not even come close to helping her out of a ditch in which she may have fallen. But swinging by and pulling her out of the ditch of this world if she had fallen into it would. And we don't do that by sharing our way. We do this through Christ and His Way. And His Way did not include Sin. Sin as put forth in Scripture.
 
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You speak of physical emergencies I speak of spiritual ones. The lost need to be pulled out of their pits. So what is the metaphorical lifeline? Ladders and ropes may help the physical but something like cutting grass may give us access to share the gospel that other things were unable to. The goal is the gospel and the work of the gospel is good, not sinful. What exactly do you think pulling sheep out of pits looked like? It can be laborous work especially in poor conditions.
 
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The Sabbath was made for man's rest, not man for the Sabbath.

The NT Sabbath of rest is in Jesus Christ, in whom we rest from our own work to save, and in his work which saves.

And the NT believers chose the regular day of assembly to be on Sunday rather than Saturday.
 
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Where do you get the idea that we humans can choose what day we want to worship God especially as He has told us on which day we are to worship Him? I've never seen that taught anywhere in the Bible.
 
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The Sabbath law (4th commandment) is as much about resting for ourselfes as it is giving that rest to those within our care. If Sabbath rest in the new covenant can be found in Christ, not through a day, then we should be showing that rest to others in our care as much as we can. Who is in our care? The parable of the good Samaritan answers that.
 
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Where do you get the idea that we humans can choose what day we want to worship God especially as He has told us on which day we are to worship Him? I've never seen that taught anywhere in the Bible.
We see it practiced in the NT on Sunday (Ac 20:27, 1 Co 16:2).

That does not preclude society from giving time off from work every week.
But the NT Sabbath is not about the work week, it's about the spiritual work "week" of full-time rest in Jesus Christ from our own work to save.
 
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How do we show to others our rest in Christ from our own works to save?
 
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We see it practiced in the NT (Ac 20:27, 1 Co 16:2).
That isn't a valid reason. It must be taught in scripture that humanity is justified in setting aside God's law.
 
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That isn't a valid reason. It must be taught in scripture that humanity is justified in setting aside God's law.
See Ro 13:8-10 where all of God's law is fulfilled in simply loving.

In the NT, we have one law which fulfills all God's law: love of God and neighbor as self (Ro 13:8-10).
 
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See Ro 13:8-10 where all of God's law is fulfilled in simply loving.
That still does not teach it is ok for humans to set aside God's specific commands on how we are to live. Sin is the transgression of the law.
 
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That still does not teach it is ok for humans to set aside God's specific commands on how we are to live. Sin is the transgression of the law.
Don't know how to say it any more plainly than does Ro 13:8-10.

You either believe it or you don't, and that is above my paygrade.
 
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Don't know know to say it any more plain than does Ro 13:8-10.

You either believe it or you don't, and that is above my paygrade.
Well, I would just say that scripture does not argue with itself and to attempt to make it do that is a really bad idea.
 
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Well, I would just say that scripture does not argue with itself and to attempt to make it do that is a really bad idea.
If you find it argumentative, then you are incorrectly interpreting Scripture, for Scripture does not contradict itself.

Until you reconcile them, rather than conflicting them, your understanding of them is not Biblical.
 
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If you find it argumentative, then you are incorrectly interpreting Scripture, for Scripture does not contradict itself.

Until you reconcile them, rather than conflicting them, your understanding of them is not Biblical.
So your idea is that loving God supremely, loving Him with all your heart and mind, is setting aside His laws? How can that be? The two concepts are radically opposed to each other.
 
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So your idea is that loving God supremely, loving Him with all your heart and mind, is setting aside His laws? How can that be? The two concepts are radically opposed to each other.
It's your job to reconcile Scripture to itself, not mine.

I have done so.
 
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OK. You're determined to believe what you want to believe.
Yes, I'm determined to believe what Scripture presents, unless you can Biblically demonstrate that what I believe is in error.
 
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