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What Is Fire?

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It's nice to see an "old man's" reflections on life and what he has learned over the years. There should be a forum for just that purpose. I do take note of all scripture when it comes to last words - there is always much wisdom to be found in them.

DANIEL 12:3
Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

The flame never goes out my friend :)


God Bless

Dear Firestorm: An old man has now begun another year older and deeper in debt. The Flame still burns as the rest of me falls apart. What a wonderful Day this is!

The Father continues to draw us into Himself & to the Essence of His mighty Being. He IS LOVE/ FIRE/SPIRIT/LIFE/SAVIOUR all flowing together in perfect union to accomplish all He sets out to do. Please join me today at the beginning of year 77 of an old man (old geezer) in declaring>>>>>>>>>

Father: I love You very much!
 
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God be with you. :)

It's just that different forums have different purposes. You might get what you're looking for in General Theology, or perhaps Spiritual Development or Devotions?

You can repost your thread in one of those if you like. :)

Dear Anastasia: What can I say? You were/ are right, nobody can find us here. I do trust the Father most glorious is continuing to bless you and yours out of your socks!

From Him, through Him, to Him
 
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Dear Anastasia: What can I say? You were/ are right, nobody can find us here. I do trust the Father most glorious is continuing to bless you and yours out of your socks!

From Him, through Him, to Him

God is indeed very merciful, and I thank Him for it. :)

I wouldn't say "nobody" finds your thread, but if it's outside the purpose of a particular forum, those who see it may have nothing to say on the particular topic that would fit within forum rules. TT is a bit more strict than other theology forums. That's why the note to read the SOP appears in red on this forum.

But posting in the right area makes things easier for volunteers and staff, and better ensures members get the kind of discussion they are looking for. :)

God be with you!
 
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God is indeed very merciful, and I thank Him for it. :)

I wouldn't say "nobody" finds your thread, but if it's outside the purpose of a particular forum, those who see it may have nothing to say on the particular topic that would fit within forum rules. TT is a bit more strict than other theology forums. That's why the note to read the SOP appears in red on this forum.

But posting in the right area makes things easier for volunteers and staff, and better ensures members get the kind of discussion they are looking for. :)

God be with you!

Dear Anastasia: I do appreciate your kind alert. I am only spending about 12 hours a day now on forums & may find time to expand my weary life (with Mrs. F.L. approval). For the moment let's leave the initial post here & continue to trust our God to lead who He will to our hidden thread.

God is indeed merciful, His mercy & love goes beyond beyond into exceeding! May His exceeding love & grace in the Lord Jesus Christ be yours today!
 
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Our God is a consuming Fire

Fire Is A Beneficent Agent


How shallow is the common view of "fire" as only or chiefly a penal agent. Fire, in Scripture, is the element of....

"Life"....Isa. 4:5

"Purification"....Matt. 3:3

"Atonement"....Lev. 16:27

"Transformation".....2 Pet. 3:10

And never ever of preservation alive for purposes of anguish.

And the popular view selects precisely this latter use, never found in Scripture, and represents it as the sole end of God's fiery judgments! If we take either the teaching of Scripture or of nature, we see that the dominant conception of fire is of a beneficent agent. Nature tells us that fire is a necessary condition of life; its mission is to sustain life; and to purify, even when it dissolves.

Extinguish the stores of fire in the universe, and you extinguish all being; universal death reigns. Most strikingly is this connection of fire and life shown in the facts of nutrition. For we actually burn in order to live; our food is the fuel; our bodies are furnaces; our nutrition is a process of combustion; we are, in fact, "aflame to the very tips of our fingers." And so it is that round the fireside of life and work gather: when we think of home we speak of the family hearth.

Fire Is The Sign Of God's Being

And what Nature teaches, Scripture enforces in no doubtful tone. It is significant to find the Great Source of life constantly associated with fire in the Bible.

Fire is the sign, not of God's wrath, but of His being.

When God comes to Ezekiel there is a "fire unfolding itself" (Ezek. 1:4, 27) and "the appearance of fire." (Ezek. 8:2)

Christ's eyes are a flame of "fire" (Rev. 1:14).

The seven lamps of "fire" are the seven Spirits of God (Rev. 4:5). So a fiery stream is said "to go before God," His throne is fiery flame, its wheels are burning fire (Daniel 7:9,10). His eyes are lamps of fire (Dan. 10:6); He is a wall of fire (Zeph. 2:5). At His touch the mountains smoke (Psl. 104:32). And God's ministers are a flame of fire (Psl. 104:4...Heb. 1:7). It is not meant to deny that the Divine Fire chastises and destroys.

Purification, Not Ruin Is The Final Outcome

It is meant that purification, not ruin, is the final outcome of that fire from above, which consumes--call it, if you please, a paradox--in order that it may save. For if God is Love, then by what but by love can His fires be kindled? They are, in fact, the very flame of love; and so we have the key to the words, "Thy God is a consuming Fire," and "Thy God is a merciful God" (Deut. 4:24-31). So God devours the earth with fire, in order that finally all may call upon the name of the Lord (Zeph. 3:8,9)--words full of significance.

So Isaiah tells us of God's cleansing the daughters of Zion by the spirit of burning (Isa. 4:4)--suggestive words. And, so again, "By fire will the Lord plead with all flesh." (Isa. 66:16) And Christ coming to save, comes to purify by "fire." (Mal. 3:2).

Fire A Sign Of Favourable Response?

Let us note, also, how often "fire" is the sign of a favourable answer from God; when God appears to Moses at the Bush it is in "fire:" God answers Gideon by "fire;" and David by "fire." (1 Chron. 21:26) Again, when He answers Elijah on Carmel, it is by "fire;" and in "fire" Elijah himself ascends to God. So God sends to Elisha, for aid, chariots and horses of "fire." So when the Psalmist calls, God answers by "fire." (Psl. 18:6-8)

And by the pillar of "fire" God gave His law. And in "fire" the great gift of the Holy Ghost descends at Pentecost."

Fire Is The Portion Of All

These words bring us to the New Testament. There we find that "fire," like judgment, so far from being the sinner's portion ONLY, is the portion of all. Like God's judgment again, it is not future merely, but present; it is "already kindled," always kindled: its object is not torment, but cleansing. The proof comes from the lips of our Lord Himself. "I am come to send fire on the earth," for it is certain that He came as a Saviour. Thus, coming to save, Christ comes with fire, nay, with fire already kindled. He comes to baptize with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

Therefore, it is that Christ teaches in solemn passage (usually misunderstood, Mark 9:43) that everyone shall be salted with fire. And so the "fire is to try every man's work." He whose work fails is saved (mark the word saved), not damned "so as by fire," by consuming what is evil, saves and refines.

The antient tradition that represents Christ as saying, "He that is near Me is near fire," expresses a vital truth. So Malachi, describes Christ as being in His saving work "like a refiner's fire." And so, echoing Deut 4:24-31, we are told that "our God is a consuming Fire," i.e., God in His closest relation to us; God is Love; God is Spirit: but "Our God is a consuming Fire"--a consuming Fire, "by which the whole material substance of sin is destroyed."

When, then, we read (Psl. 18:12) that "coals of fire" go before God, we think of the deeds of love which are "coals of fire" to our enemies. (Rom. 12:20) Thus, we who teach hope for all men, do not shrink from but accept, in their fullest meaning, these mysterious "fires" of gehenna, of which Christ speaks (kindled for purification), as in a special sense the sinner's doom in the coming ages. But taught by the clearest statements of Scripture (confirmed as they are by many analogies of Nature), we see in these "fires" not a denial of, but a mode of fulfilling, the promise--

"Behold, I make all things new."

-Christ Triumphant-
This is pretty good. As a Catholic I would agree! This is one way we describe the purifying fires of purgatory which is Christ himself as our God us a consuming fire!.
 
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This is pretty good. As a Catholic I would agree! This is one way we describe the purifying fires of purgatory which is Christ himself as our God us a consuming fire!.

Dear Athanasias: One of my sons has an auto mechanic who is on the cutting edge of his profession. He also is a devout Catholic with a capital "D". The last time we met him was in a social environment (which I attempt to avoid). Instead of greeting me with the usual niceties, he proclaimed "I love Jesus Christ". I tell you this: any person that declares such a glorious proclamation, I love!

We are all the broken wrecks of sin. The purpose of God has an objective that involves a process of transformation. It begins with being born anew, and cascades into manifold operations of His love and grace and glory. He will indeed purify each of us to walk in fellowship with Him. The entire process must happen, and will happen!

Thanks for stopping in to our hidden little corner of Christian forums & may His gracious Presence be with you and yours.
 
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Dear Athanasias: One of my sons has an auto mechanic who is on the cutting edge of his profession. He also is a devout Catholic with a capital "D". The last time we met him was in a social environment (which I attempt to avoid). Instead of greeting me with the usual niceties, he proclaimed "I love Jesus Christ". I tell you this: any person that declares such a glorious proclamation, I love!

We are all the broken wrecks of sin. The purpose of God has an objective that involves a process of transformation. It begins with being born anew, and cascades into manifold operations of His love and grace and glory. He will indeed purify each of us to walk in fellowship with Him. The entire process must happen, and will happen!

Thanks for stopping in to our hidden little corner of Christian forums & may His gracious Presence be with you and yours.
Amen!
 
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It's your thread so I was trying to do you the courtesy of allowing the sort of discussion you had in mind, within the guidelines of the forum. :)

Dear Anastasia: this link has hardly been robust. (LOL) I trust you and yours are continuing to be grasped by His great love & grace. Our Lord is so beyond me! Over 60 years have elapsed from that fateful day in 1957 when for the very first time in my young life I knew with absolute assurance He wanted me for Himself. I love Him very much!

The Divine Fire

The Divine Fire

THE OPERATION OF THE DIVINE FIRE DEPENDS ON WHAT IT OPERATES ON.

This is one of the most marked peculiarities of common fire. It scatters water; it melts wax; it destroys wood; it hardens clay; it purifies metal. It makes silver valuable; it makes dross worthless. And so with the Divine fire. The apostle dwells on its testing power (1 Corinthians 3:13); but here its actual moral effect on differing characters is indicated. Take classes of character in Malachi's time, and show the different effects which Divine dealings had upon them. Take types of character now, and show how Divine dealings soften or harden.

THE DIVINE FIRE IS DESTRUCTIVE OF THE FORMS OF THINGS, NOT OF THINGS.

Science now explains that common fire destroys nothing; it only Changes the forms and relations of things. When the state of the wicked is irremediable by any existing moral forces, then their form and relation must be changed. As in the time of the Flood, humanity had to be put in new conditions. God's fire destructions always begin a new regime. - R.T.
 
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Thanks for the Blessings FineLinen

PSALM 31v5
Into your hands I commit my Spirit

The zeal ( or fire ) would lead Jesus to give his all.

Fire Spreads and we too have been ignited. The Spirit gives birth to Spirit.

God Bless
 
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Thanks for the Blessings FineLinen

PSALM 31v5
Into your hands I commit my Spirit

The zeal ( or fire ) would lead Jesus to give his all.

Fire Spreads and we too have been ignited. The Spirit gives birth to Spirit.

God Bless

Dear Firestorm: The Lord Jesus Christ is the One who leads us into a union with the Living God described as being saved "to the uttermost". If that does not thrill you & I, methinks we may need a touch more of His glorious Presence! To you and yours, and our brothers in the Isles, we await further igniting, leading to a blaze!

Dear bro. being broke has a wonderful feel to it. Enjoy!
 
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Amen to the Union FL- we are not isolated and separate. Descartes was wrong.
The conduit that joins us is the Spirit himself. We are one. ;)

I shall add - Fire gives Light. I have seen that Glory and it fills the whole Earth. It shines in the darkness. Nothing is hidden in the light - God knows our thoughts and our innermost being

It's nice to see the flame still burns in you
 
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On your Pilgrimage - what would you say are your top five lessons you've learned that you would pass on to other believers?

Dear FIRESTORM: Here we are on this remote island of Christian Forums posting to one another. Seldom has anyone asked me such a critical line of thought. I will give only 1 of the top 5 (for the present).

#1. "But God". Yes, if the Living One does not open our pathway to Himself, all is a futile attempt on our part. If He does not reach out and grasp us by the Spirit, we labour in vain.

Linked with that Reach of His, is the hunger that He places within those destined to be His, as the "especially" of His grace. As a young lad of 12, sitting with my wonderful parents in a major Church denomination in our land, I just knew beyond any shadow of doubt, He was, and until the great longing in my heart and spirit were quenched, I would never be!

Brother, lets just leave it there for now. In His great love & grace & still burning, F.L.
 
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Dear FIRESTORM: I now know what I want to list in the top 5. On this link we will pursue my ongoing list. Why don't you prepare your list, and we will compare notes. You never know, somebody else may show up on our lonely isle of C.F. who would like to chime in. If not we will sing to one another.
 
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Dear FIRESTORM: Good morning British Isles. A new Day is breaking upon us all.

#1. "But God".

#2. Deep hunger for Him.

#3. Humility of spirit.

#4. Surround yourself with quality.

#5. Present continuous experience in/with Him.

Humility of spirit

This is closely linked with #4, but for today "humility of spirit".

"The true way to be humble is not to stoop until you are smaller than yourself but to stand at your real height against some higher nature that will show you what the real smallness of your greatest greatness is.” -Philips Brooks-

This to me sums up exactly how easy it is! Stand at your real height in the Presence of God (if you dare), and in the presence of individuals who know more than I have ever learned.

The walk with Him is an adventure into unknown territory that will take each of us into the One who "saves to the uttermost". Each experience is unique & tailored to bring dust & Divinity into complete alignment. There are times our frail faith falls far short, but in those moments #1 is the support.

This link we are on, FIRESTORM, is a subject dear to me, and in union with your name most likely dear to you. Later in the list we will look at #4, & a man of God who penned 30 unspoken sermons, one of which is The Consuming Fire.

My brother, thank you for your patience & may He expand all of us in Him!
 
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Dear FIRESTORM: I trust you have had a wonderful day. To continue with #4= Surround yourself with quality.

My wife & I met in a little Gospel church where for the very first day I knew God loved me & would take me to Himself. He did & what a journey it has been.

We later became a part of a fellowship of brethren from various quarters who eclipsed anything we could imagine in this mighty God of ours. One of those brethren was a man of apostle caliber. He spoke in a series of meetings on 1 single verse of Scripture for over 1 hr. each evening & at the end said, "Well let's just leave it there for now". I sat there and thought, this is the God I must follow. This brother was from Scotland, not that it matters, but I knew deep within, my days for mediocrity were ended.

Well, brother, we are a part of a fellowship of the Heavens joined with quality here & now, & with a vast company of those who have advanced to Glory.

From Him, through Him, for Him
 
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Dear FIRESTORM: My brother thank you for asking a question I have never encountered in the many years posting. It has made me reach into the foundations of my walk with Him. I know the response may be a mite more exhausting than you were desiring, but alas, F.L. has enjoyed the opportunity.

At the close of my final 5 lessons, will be an added something to hide down here with the original fire OP.

#5 A present continuous experience in Him.

The word in koine Greek describes an experience that is past, present, and future all wrapped up in "be being". Only the Source of our Life in this wonderful Realm of His, can bring about an experience that is to the uttermost edge of experience. That experience is what is penned in Scripture as being "saved to the uttermost"!

A scientist recently focused on one single dot he was drawn to in the vast heavens of millions of stars and galaxies. Do you know what he found? A whole world of more stars & galaxies!

I know not how many "stars" have been encountered in my walk with the Glorious One to date. I do know it has "dots" that point to great dimensions of further experience in His vastness.

May the Lord of Glory bless you and yours & the Household of faith of whom we are a small part!
 
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The Consuming Fire

Unspoken Sermons by George MacDonald: The Consuming Fire

Series One

The Child in the Mist
The Consuming Fire
The Higher Faith
It Shall Not Be Forgiven
The New Name
The Heart With The Treasure
The Temptation in the Wilderness
The Eloi
The Hands of The Father
Love Thy Neighbour
Love Thine Enemy
The God of The Living

Series Two

The Way
The Hardness of The Many
The Cause of Spiritual Stupidity
The Word of Jesus on Prayer
Man's Difficulty Concerning Prayer
The Last Farthing
Abba, Father!
Life
The Fear of God
The Voice of Job
Self-Denial
The Truth in Jesus

Series Three

The Creation of Christ
The Knowing of The Son
The Mirrors of The Lord
The Truth
Freedom
Kingship
Justice
Light
The Displeasure of Jesus
Righteousness
The Final Unmasking
The Inheritance
 
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This brother was from Scotland, not that it matters, but I knew deep within, my days for mediocrity were ended.

Dr Livingstone I presume ;)

I shall read your most important lessons with interest & thoughtfully review them & have a chat.
In the meantime - I shall gather my list.

I somehow think I have restricted myself by asking for just five - there are so many when you start to think about them. There's probably a whole lot more to come too so I list the most memorable one's that have caused the biggest turning points or made the most impact.

I'll start of with number 1 and review the others when I get some free time.

NUMBER UNO

BE FILLED WITH FIRE

I'm talking the unforgettable fire of the Baptism of the Spirit via the laying on of hands. Without this event I would have had my doubts in the darkest moments of my Christian Walk. This is power from on High. I saw the Glory of the Lord - it illuminated the darkness of my soul like a search light in the night sky reaching up to the clouds. The fire burned - it was a living flame, moving with life and purpose. The presence surrounded me. This was my advance deposit - the guarantee of my spiritual inheritance from God himself.:handpointup:
 
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