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Featured What is exactly and specifically "wrong" with operating under the Old Covenant...?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. Neogaia777

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    What is exactly and specifically "wrong" with operating under the Old Covenant...?

    What's the "harm" in it...?

    And is it scripturally "wrong"...?

    And, if it is, "why" (is that)...? (please provide scriptures if you like)... (or IYOW's if you like)...

    And, what about people who might think they are operating under the NC, but are not totally, but are attempting some kind of "mix" or mixture of the two...?

    Is there any "harm" in that...? And if so, how or why...?

    And, lastly, are they really "Christians" if they are doing this, or not...?

    Comments...?

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  2. Danielwright2311

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    As long as you truly believe Jesus died on the cross for you and is the son of God then its ok to live under any covenant. But after the spirit of God converts you then you will live for God and Jesus and not any old covenant.
     
  3. JIMINZ

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    Could you clarify your understanding (Belief) of the word Operating?
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    I've always found the OT supporting scripture very encouraging.
    That was, until I found these: (Edit:I just read that last one for the first time. Wow.)

    Hebrews 8
    12 For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
    13 By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete;
    and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

    Luke 22:20
    In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.

    2 Corinthians 3:6
    And He has qualified us as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!

    Hebrews 1:11
    They will perish, but You remain; they will all wear out like a garment.

    Hebrews 7:22
    Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

    Hebrews 8:6
    Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises.

    Hebrews 8:8
    But God found fault with the people and said: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

    Hebrews 9:15
    Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

    Hebrews 12:24
    to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
     
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  5. Neogaia777

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    Going by, basically... living under, or trying hard (and maybe exerting themselves to a great degree, lot's of self-effort and self-will) to live under or by...

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  6. Neogaia777

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    So are you saying it's OK temporarily, or at the start, but as one moves toward maturity, they will or should (perhaps have to) give it up, in time, basically...? Or what...?

    And you think there is absolutely nothing "wrong" with it at all...? And it does "no harm whatsoever" at all, or what...?

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  7. JIMINZ

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    Paul said this about those Jews that wanted to return to living under the Old Covenant.

    Heb.10:38,39
    38) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
    39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
     
  8. Neogaia777

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    What do you mean by "drawing back"...?

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  9. Danielwright2311

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    I am saying after you are converted by the spirit of God you will start to follow Jesus and no convenient. A lot of people still follow the old ways and they miss that after you are converted you start to want to follow only Jesus as he is the only way.

    That's why we call it a conversion.
     
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  11. Neogaia777

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    Any harm in operating under the OC or not...?

    God Bless!
     
  12. Neogaia777

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    After we get "this issue" settled, then, after that, we can then try to tackle the problem and issue of sin, but not "until then" or after that, I think...

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  13. JIMINZ

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    Who are you addressing?
     
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    Why would anyone want to live by the law when Jesus offers grace?

    Can you keep the law perfectly? If you break one you break them al. No one in history has ever been able to do it. That's why Jesus came. It's impossible for us to save ourselves. Salvation through grace not works.
     
  15. Neogaia777

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    And from that point we can move on to the issue of sin...

    The problem is everyone is not on the "same page" (yet) and we need to be before we can even begin (to do that) really...

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  16. Neogaia777

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    Everyone...

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    New International Version
    And, "But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back."

    New Living Translation
    And my righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure in anyone who turns away."

    English Standard Version
    but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.”

    Berean Study Bible
    But My righteous one will live by faith; and if he shrinks back, I will take no pleasure in him.”

    Berean Literal Bible
    But My righteous one will live by faith; and if he might shrink back, My soul does not take pleasure in him."

    New American Standard Bible
    BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.

    King James Bible
    Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    Christian Standard Bible
    But my righteous one will live by faith; and if he draws back, I have no pleasure in him.

    Contemporary English Version
    The people God accepts will live because of their faith. But he isn't pleased with anyone who turns back."

    Good News Translation
    My righteous people, however, will believe and live; but if any of them turns back, I will not be pleased with them."

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    But My righteous one will live by faith; and if he draws back, I have no pleasure in him.

    International Standard Version
    but my righteous one will live by faith, and if he turns back, my soul will take no pleasure in him."

    NET Bible
    But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, I take no pleasure in him.

    New Heart English Bible
    But the righteous will live by faith, and if he holds back, my soul has no pleasure in him."

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    “But the righteous one shall live by my faith, and if he gives it up, my soul is not pleased with him.”

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    The person who has God's approval will live by faith. But if he turns back, I will not be pleased with him."

    New American Standard 1977
    BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    Now the just shall live by faith, but if any man draws back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    King James 2000 Bible
    Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    American King James Version
    Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

    American Standard Version
    But my righteous one shall live by faith: And if he shrink back, my soul hath no pleasure in him.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    But my just man liveth by faith; but if he withdraw himself, he shall not please my soul.

    Darby Bible Translation
    But the just shall live by faith; and, if he draw back, my soul does not take pleasure in him.

    English Revised Version
    But my righteous one shall live by faith: And if he shrink back, my soul hath no pleasure in him.
     
  18. Neogaia777

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    Does one have to start and begin in the Old Way...? Is that what you are saying...?

    Till one gets "converted"...?

    Or can one simply begin the New Way, without or before or without or not ever even having the Old...? Or what...?

    If so, if one has to have the Old Way first, then what is the (true) purpose and point of the Old Way...? And then, as already asked, can it be "skipped" basically...? or not...?

    God Bless!
     
  19. Danielwright2311

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    There is no harm in it as long as you don't break the laws of the times and get in trouble for it like killing sacrificed animals.
     
  20. Neogaia777

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    Faith in what...?

    Or drawing back, or shrinking back ,or turning back, or turning away from "what" exactly...?

    God Bless!
     
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