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What is a free mason?? /need advice?

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jhessel

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One of the most famous freemasons writing in his book that "lucifer is the light" (and knowing his book is given for free to freemasons) that should be enough but NOOO you people keep going spinning in circles asking what are their true intentions!

The Cabalists secretly dedicated themselves to destroying Christianity and Western civilization. In 1773 Amschel Mayer Rothschild convened a meeting of 12 prominent Jewish bankers and other prominent Jewish personalities and submitted a programme to level the social order using the contradictory promise of "liberty" and "equality." In 1776, they had Adam Weishaupt organize the Order of the Illuminati, which merged with Freemasonry in 1782. Freemasonry is Cabala and, in the words of Andre Krylienko, (The Red Thread) it was "launched for the purpose of enlisting non-Jews consciously or unconsciously in the service of Jewry." (p.93)

The Illuminati was behind the revolutionary movements of the 18th -- 20th Century as well as their respective reigns of terror. The bankers used their power to spread their Satanic convictions. They had finagled a monopoly on credit (usurping the government's right to create money) and they needed to control the world in order to protect this prize.

Before we feel smug, the Great Seal of the United States is also a Masonic symbol. According to Eustace Mullins, the top of the pyramid is missing to indicate that they have not yet put into operation the final stages of their conspiracy. "The eye represents that Great Architect of the Universe, a cabalist concept; it is enclosed in a triangle which is the symbol of magic. The thirteen steps refer to Satan, Belial and rebellion..." (The Curse of Canaan, 141) The inscription "Novo Ordo Seclorum" means "New Secular Order."

Without fanfare, Freemasonry is being introduced as the New World Religion. We are being brainwashed with it every day. So you need to know that:

+Freemasonry is a religion that believes Lucifer is the "God of light and God of good, struggling for humanity against Adonay, God of darkness and evil."
+It is a secret society that demands adherents swear blind obedience on pain of death before they even know what it represents.

+It practises deception. It reserves its truths for the adept; the initiate is "intentionally mislead by false interpretations."
+It preaches "tolerance" and the universality of all religions in order to negate them all. Christianity is especially abjured. "Universality does not mean Christianity." (Quotes from Masonic Texts from Gary Kah, En Route to Global Occupation pp.120-140)
 
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"We are being brainwashed with it every day"

dude, i was right about the tinfoil hat! awesome.

the freemasons now are pretty much just a marketing scheme for conspiracy theorists.

Shriners are pretty rad, you gotta admit.
 
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Thaddeus said:
What is his skill?
The title Woshipful Master is an Honorary title.He would have had to complete a variety of roles in the " Story Telling" so I suppose you could call this a skill. But its true meaning would have been from the time when it was just a organisation of Builders, a Trade Union.

As you see most of the refences are to do with construction Great ARCHITECT, Grand GEOMETRICIAN, MASTER MASON.
 
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billmcelligott said:
jhessel

I would urge all on the board to visit the sites you have posted.

Please make up you own minds.

I really do not think there is any need to defend the accusations. The sites speak for themselves.
Bill, since you're a new member, you may find that reading the first page of this thread will provide you with needed context.

http://www.christianforums.com/t52911
 
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Bill, since you're a new member, you may find that reading the first page of this thread will provide you with needed context.
As a new reader, I figured if it would help Bill, it might help me as well, so I visited the page. After seeing the wild theories there, I must say I am thoroughly shocked, as I thought I was the only one who knew about such things.

But I was also surprised to see no one else had discovered my theory that the fall of the human race came as a result of Satan injecting Eve with third-generation mutant nanoprobes. But that's all right, I'm sure they'll catch up eventually.

:priest: Wayne
 
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Rev Wayne said:
As a new reader, I figured if it would help Bill, it might help me as well, so I visited the page. After seeing the wild theories there, I must say I am thoroughly shocked, as I thought I was the only one who knew about such things.

But I was also surprised to see no one else had discovered my theory that the fall of the human race came as a result of Satan injecting Eve with third-generation mutant nanoprobes. But that's all right, I'm sure they'll catch up eventually.

:priest: Wayne
If you read farther you will find mention of evil cyborgs, as well. ;)

Your theory has merit, Rev. Wayne. However, the Borg Queen is defeated by the Pogo Principle of temporal mechanics when she attempts to send the Borg back in time to change Earth's history.
 
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Does this mean I will be irrelevant, and resistance is futile.


I have to stand by the recommend to visit those sites. if you can take it seriousely there is nothing I can say that will make any difference.

And I want to point out I have more blessings than Wayne.

Does this mean I need more help.
 
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billmcelligott said:
Does this mean I will be irrelevant, and resistance is futile.
Resistance is indeed futile, but you yourself are profoundly relevant. After all, the Borg are collecting the set, except for members this one species which they feel would only detract from their perfection.. ;)


I have to stand by the recommend to visit those sites. if you can take it seriousely there is nothing I can say that will make any difference.
I couldn't agree more!

And I want to point out I have more blessings than Wayne.
Does this mean I need more help.
Only time will tell..let's see how much trouble Wayne gets into first. :D
 
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Rev Wayne said:
Plan,

Ah yes, Pogo, what fond memories! I'm not sure what kind of possum logic went into this principle, but I'm sure it's probably the one I remember best from the strip:

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

Wayne :D
YES!! If only the Pogo Principle were as much fun as those uttered by the possum of the same name!! That's my favorite from the strip, too.

My parents were fond of:

"Dad-blamed administration done been in too long!"
 
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emmajane said:
Abit like the Baha'i - who have an amazing philosophy by my reckoning. Especially considering their history.
Masonry is not a religion and doesn't claim to be; it's a fraternal orgainization and that's all it is.
 
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Plan 9 said:
Masonry is not a religion and doesn't claim to be; it's a fraternal orgainization and that's all it is.
The cornerstone of the discussion / disagreement in this thread regards the incompatibility of Masonry with Christianity. I have decided to step back from such a discussion, as it is not progressing.

The implication of religious beliefs and deity worship within Masonry automatically gives one the impression that there is an element of religion involved.

My comment above was not designed to accuse, nor to contradict. I was attempting to align Masonic deity-worship with the beliefs of the Baha'i - which I personally believe to be more of a philosophy than a religion, and I also believe to be more 'Christian' than the traditional Evangelistic practice of belief that those outside ones own belief system are going to hell.

Apologies for not being more eloquent - it's sometimes hard to express onesself in this place!

Peace be with you
 
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emmajane said:
My comment above was not designed to accuse, nor to contradict. I was attempting to align Masonic deity-worship with the beliefs of the Baha'i - which I personally believe to be more of a philosophy than a religion, and I also believe to be more 'Christian' than the traditional Evangelistic practice of belief that those outside ones own belief system are going to hell.

Of course it wasn't your intention to accuse or contradict. It's just that I've had some experiences with Baha'ists seriously trying to convert me; they didn't seem to feel that what they believed was philosophy?
 
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emmajane said:
The cornerstone of the discussion / disagreement in this thread regards the incompatibility of Masonry with Christianity. I have decided to step back from such a discussion, as it is not progressing.
That would be a shame emmajane

The implication of religious beliefs and deity worship within Masonry automatically gives one the impression that there is an element of religion involved.
I would agree , there is an element of Religion involved, I do not agree that it is a religion. Religion has natural tendency to draw people into its fold, because those within in it believe their religion to be the only hope of Salvation for everyone else.

Most of the Masons I know just want to get to the Bar before it closes. The concept of the whole thing being a Religion would turn them away. Those who get into these discussions, like this one, think that all Masons are devout religious characters. Nothing is further from the truth. In my Lodge we have 8 Rugby Players. 6 Builders and an assortment of Carpenters , Plumbers and Accountants. We all know how polite and demur these guys are.

My comment above was not designed to accuse, nor to contradict. I was attempting to align Masonic deity-worship with the beliefs of the Baha'i - which I personally believe to be more of a philosophy than a religion, and I also believe to be more 'Christian' than the traditional Evangelistic practice of belief that those outside ones own belief system are going to hell.

I will have to have alook at Bahai' I have no knowledge, but i am interested to find out more.

Apologies for not being more eloquent - it's sometimes hard to express onesself in this place!

You are right, but i like ti listen. (Read). I like amature dramatics and amture theatre. I know how hard it is so I appreciate when someone tries.

Peace be with you
peace be with you also
 
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Thaddeus said:
What reason would a mason have to quit?

At some point you have to realize that Gaotu is NOT The God of the Bible, but it's an accepted average of inviduals beliefs.
Thad, there are a few groups that have left Masonry on religious grounds. If that is where you want to go with the question.

They have said all the things you have put forward.

My argument with them is this.

No one made them join. They knew there would be other religious convictions within the Group. They were intiatiated, and you will remember your comments about the oaths and Altered Names of God. They were passed to the second degree and then the Third. All obligations taken on the Bible.

We have a statement of Mason that went on to be Chaplian and Master of the Lodge.

Suddenly they realise, hey we are not ending the prayers "In the name of Jesus Christ". Therefore they resign and try to entice others to do the same. I might add with little success.

Logic dictates to me they were either very stupid or very mischevious.

We have one guy who , joined the Mormons , joined the Masons, joined a numer of other groups. He now makes a living writing books on the evils of all of them.

Let me make my thoughts very clear at this point. If your thinking is that there is only one way to God , I will not share it with others. Anyone who does not think just the same as me is inferior.

Then Masonry is not for you. Don't join, if you are a Mason get out. This is my personal opinion, not Masonic principle.

If however you beleive it is within every persons capability to make up his own mind on this subject. That you can respect another man or woman, even if they are completely opposed to your views on religion and politics, then you would be very comfortable in Masonry.
 
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