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Why not repeat it as you had a long reply ?Yes it does. Judah and Israel are distinct there yes?
I already gave you verses for the Nations.
Repeat what?Why not repeat it as you had a long reply ?
Careful what? It means nations.If you mean Matt 28:19 , then what does NATION // ETHNOS mean , be careful !!
dan p
Your thoughts on John 11:48 mean ?Repeat what?
Careful what? It means nations.
Yes??? What happened to that nation? Under a curse...Your thoughts on John 11:48 mean ?
It says and the Romans shall come and take away BOTH our Place and NATION // ETHNOS Perish !!
Who's Nation are they talking about , as verse 47 says who they are , chief priest and the Pharisees .
Then in verse 50 , Nor consider that it is expedient for us , that one man should die for the people , that the WHOLE NATION // ETHNOS perish not .
Verse 51 says who that man is , that is Jesus should DIE for that NATION // ETHNOS .
dan p
I think that we were talking about the Greek word NATION // ETHNOS and its many meaning , and what are its meaning ?Yes??? What happened to that nation? Under a curse...
Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
What nation was redeemed?
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
How is this nation formed?
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Yeah. And I thought I gave some. But actually, my byzantine Greek has ETHNOUS, for jn. 11:48I think that we were talking about the Greek word NATION // ETHNOS and its many meaning , and what are its meaning ?
dan p
If just check many Greek words , ALL will see that many Greek words have more than one meaning .Yeah. And I thought I gave some. But actually, my byzantine Greek has ETHNOUS, for jn. 11:48
Jn 11:51 Is ETHNOS, as well as 2 Pet. 2:9 ETHNOS. I don't know what difference between the two, not a Greek scholar.
I don't deny that it was to Jew's first. Jesus was fulfilling the law, carnal elements intact. For a remnant subject to those carnal elements to escape the coming wrath coming upon that people.If just check many Greek words , ALL will see that many Greek words have more than one meaning .
NATION // ETHNOS can be translated by Gentile , Heathen , Israel , people , Nation ,
And Matt 28:19 and especially Matt 28: and 29 is speaking to JEW that are scattered , all over the world and are to be taught what I have whatsoever I have commanded you , is then all Jews .
All the 4 gospels were written to Israel . period
dan p
As Christ stated when questioned by John on His baptism:1 Pe 3:20-21 states that baptism is a symbol of that which saves; i.e., death in Christ to rise to a new life. (Ro 6:1-7).
First time that the Greek words BAPTISM , BAPTISMA , BAPTO , and BAPTIZED and BAPTISMS , are just symbolism !!
dan p
And you can use any way you think , But I only use the KJV , PERIOD !!Yeah. And I thought I gave some. But actually, my byzantine Greek has ETHNOUS, for jn. 11:48
Jn 11:51 Is ETHNOS, as well as 2 Pet. 2:9 ETHNOS. I don't know what difference between the two, not a Greek scholar.
Ok, so you will. Mine has ETHNOUS, so no point in going on about it. I have a the Byzentine, I do not have the Greek text used for the King James to look at the actual Greek they used, Nor any way to compare them with the Greek old covenant so....And you can use any way you think , But I only use the KJV , PERIOD !!
In the lxx it agrees with the HebrewJohn 11:48 Greek word NATION // IS ETHNOS .
Also in verse 48 the Greek word TAKE AWAY // is AIRO and is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD and that means , you better believe it and is in the n Greek PLURAL /.
"Take away"Your thoughts as to why it is the FUTURE TENSE ??
Their place and nation.....And you can use any way you think , But I only use the KJV , PERIOD !!
John 11:48 Greek word NATION // IS ETHNOS .
Also in verse 48 the Greek word TAKE AWAY // is AIRO and is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD and that means , you better believe it and is in the n Greek PLURAL /.
Your thoughts as to why it is the FUTURE TENSE ??
dan p
Well I don't know when and how God will "take away" Israel's sin in Christ. But, I believe he will. There is a good and just purpose to all of it. The Apostolic church, the remnant saved, the Israel of God.All the way until Jesus Returns ......
Yes, but when and how he brings them to faith to receive that is what I am talking about...By the blood of Jesus.
Exactly, that is received by faith. They become members of the new covenant, the fullness of promises in Christ to Abraham.There is no other way.
Agreed.This is clear and plain and in harmony with all Scripture as Revealed by the Creator.
When? Soon. As written already in the first century: brethren, we are in the last hour.....
It is very easy and EZE 36:25 tell all exactly how it will happen .Well I don't know when and how God will "take away" Israel's sin in Christ. But, I believe he will. There is a good and just purpose to all of it. The Apostolic church, the remnant saved, the Israel of God.
This does not help me. But yeah someone had a post on that a while back about sprinkling, it was interesting. I just have this nagging about the place of Israel all these 2000 years, and them still being in the promise by the law of faith in the covenant of circumcision. I read the wrath of God prophesied in the law, and it speaks of escaping punishment. So I am struggling seeing them NOT SAVED from their punishment possibly in Christ, but partly blinded. Many Jews not in the new covenant have faith. But I don't know quite where to put that.It is very easy and EZE 36:25 tell all exactly how it will happen .
Then will I SPRINKLE // ZARAQ , WATER a verb in the QAL , in the Hebrew PERFECT TENSE , in the SINGULAR .
Clean // TAOR , is in the PLURAL and in the ABSOLUTE , means it will happen
WATER // MAYIM is also in the PLURAL and in the Hebrew , ABSOLUTE
UPON YOU // AL , also in the PLURAL and in the ABSOLUTE
AND YOU WILL BE CLEAN // TAHER a verb in the QAL , means to turn back
FROM ALL // KOL , in the SINGULAR
YOUR FILTHNESS // IN THE Plural
YOUR IDOLS // GILLUL , in the Plural
WILL I CLEANSE // TAHER a verb in the PIEL , means to cause to know and is in the Hebrew , IMPERFET TENSE in the SINGULAR .
YOU // ET , is in the Plural .
By the Way , SPRINKLING is just another form of Water baptism .
dan p
Jew's not in the new covenant? Jew's are still keeping the Abrahamic covenant of circumcision. So they are still in covenant with God, like Abe, Isaac, and Jacob. The law of works was not until 430 years later. So, what law did they keep? The law of faith that was from the beginning. There are Jew's that have faith today, but are partly blinded, but still in covenant.What does this matter ? I'm not sure of the first sentence here,
Because I do believe it can help with false teachings. IN MANY AREAS. There are Messianics teaching Gentiles are graffed into Israel, the gospel and new covenant is for us Israel only...etc. I also think it might help concerning Catholicism, Protestantism. That is my hope in it Unity in the truth. Or it can help with anti semitism, Even be a witness to Israel itself. the truth is important and I think there is a blind spot there. The Abrahamic propmises is what brought us The blood of the new covenant.but do you have to put any of this somewhere ?
For example, if you saw hundreds of battleships, some aircraft carriers, anti-submarine ships, and even submarines on the surface, departing from some port under orders,
would you have any need, purpose, or even the desire to want to know where they were going ? Likewise the ones led by Yahweh in Spirit and in Truth are unknown and not understood by the world (at all), yet He is Perfect in Directing them according to His Own Will and His Own Purpose.
No fault in wondering perhaps, nor even in /if/ asking the Master what's going on - He might tell! But only always as He Pleases and alway in complete harmony with all of His Own Word and Plan and Purpose; not as men think, no.
This is encouraging to all who believe in Him and walk with Him every day.
Through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ; Ephesians 3:6-7Because I do believe it can help with false teachings. IN MANY AREAS. There are Messianics teaching Gentiles are graffed into Israel, the gospel and new covenant is for us....etc. ...the truth is important and think there is a blind spot there.
We are heirs of the promises along with every jew who believes, heirs with Abraham Isaac and Jacob.Through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ; Ephesians 3:6-7
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.Difficult to know what you mean here, and likely best not to elaborate on the open forum.
And all the ones that say that we are in the NEW COVENANT , and most o not any verse to prove it ;''Difficult to know what you mean here, and likely best not to elaborate on the open forum.
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