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What if...

I am prepared...

  • ...to die for Evolution.

  • ...to abandon Evolution.

  • ...to die for Creationism.

  • ...to die for all that Creationism encompasses.


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Bombila

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Your response is ingenious and I am glad you recognise there is room to show compassion (regardless of the subject) in the present, even if you define the past with hate.

What do you suppose it is that gives you the freedom to hate someone's past and then turn a smile for them (so to speak)?

I am taught that it is the conscience, something that could only occur by Design.

It is you who is defining instances of people using the minds, which you claim were given them by God, as hatred. What evidence have you shown that any of us 'hates someone's past'? You have none, because it is just some convoluted construct you place unthinkingly on other people's understanding of the world, present and past, an understanding that has required great thinkers, hard work, and very earnest science.

You are missing out, Gottservant, on some of the most wonderful knowledge humans have managed to glean from a very mysterious universe. You are turning your back on understanding, out of some misplaced loyalty to the half-baked notions of a small group of people who use your belief in God to eke out a little money and fifteen minutes of shallow fame for themselves.

If anything, understanding evolution lets us love the past, as it allows us to glimpse fantastic early worlds, teeming with life unseen today, and our brave ancestors, who lived hard short lives, yet stubbornly and with a little luck persevered, leaving only their mark upon our genome and a few broken stone tools, and the charcoal from their ancient fires.

The conscience, Gottservant, well developed in those of us who are not sociopaths, was not designed, but evolved along with us, and is visibly present in lesser manner in the very dogs I joked about, who feel guilt when they do wrong.

If you are taught, then you have a poor teacher who leads you astray from reality. Do you really think the God you believe in wants people to make stuff up about His world? Expand your studying with a more open mind, and learn how you have been led astray.
 
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Does Google have a Gottservant to English Translator ?


No, they tried, but when their programmers started to go mad, DARPA stepped in and took over the project, they hope to turn it into a weapon.
 
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Evolution denigrates the ancestry and personage of someone who did absolutely everything He could for everyone.
Oh ok so your talking about your fairytale people again.

The supposition that evolution could in fact be used to justify the oppression of those who believe in it simply substantiates that evolution is evil.
You mean like christianity has done repeatedly?
 
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Evolution denigrates the ancestry and personage of someone who did absolutely everything He could for everyone.

If, as I do, you recognize such denigration as hate, the question remains what is to be done about the hatred that is "evolution".

The supposition that evolution could in fact be used to justify the oppression of those who believe in it simply substantiates that evolution is evil.
You're a loony

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Evolution denigrates the ancestry and personage of someone who did absolutely everything He could for everyone.


No, it doesn't. Project much?

If, as I do, you recognize such denigration as hate, the question remains what is to be done about the hatred that is "evolution".

The supposition that evolution could in fact be used to justify the oppression of those who believe in it simply substantiates that evolution is evil.

How does a supposition substantiate anything? Especially, as it is in this case, when it's completely unrelated to reality?
 
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Evolution denigrates the ancestry and personage of someone who did absolutely everything He could for everyone.
Evolution does no such thing. Since this is a transparent attempt to link evolution, atheism, and Christian mythology, I'll address this from that view point. You start from the presupposition that the creature in question evolved to do all it could for me (not everyone, just me). The Judaeo-Christo-Islamic deity is not generally believed to have evolved; it is not, after all, part of a population of replicators. In this way alone your analogy fails.

If, as I do, you recognize such denigration as hate, the question remains what is to be done about the hatred that is "evolution".
Such denigration is not hate, and nor does evolution cause such denigration. Indeed, even in the analogy the hate comes from the rest of society because I called the creature "beneath me").
So that's two ways in which your analogy fails.

The supposition that evolution could in fact be used to justify the oppression of those who believe in it simply substantiates that evolution is evil.
How so?
 
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Evolution denigrates the ancestry and personage of someone who did absolutely everything He could for everyone.

If, as I do, you recognize such denigration as hate, the question remains what is to be done about the hatred that is "evolution".

The supposition that evolution could in fact be used to justify the oppression of those who believe in it simply substantiates that evolution is evil.

Jebus? Evolution is a mindless prosess, so it doesn't denigrate anything. And your acrobatic redefinition of the word evolution is silly. All your premises are falacies.
 
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Jesus Christ was the Son of no ape!

To the evolutionist, Jesus is just an accident that, sadly, didn't happen more often (though the cost of attempting to replicate this event is never considered).

Potentially depressingly, the hatred labelled at Christians that they follow the Son of an ape is not recognised as hatred (presumably because the only necessary effort to kill Jesus has already been made, evolved or not).
 
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Jesus Christ was the Son of no ape!

To the evolutionist, Jesus is just an accident that, sadly, didn't happen more often (though the cost of attempting to replicate this event is never considered).

Potentially depressingly, the hatred labelled at Christians that they follow the Son of an ape is not recognised as hatred (presumably because the only necessary effort to kill Jesus has already been made, evolved or not).
You scare me. I hope you really do live in Australia. That is far, far from where I live...
 
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Jesus Christ was the Son of no ape!

To the evolutionist, Jesus is just an accident that, sadly, didn't happen more often (though the cost of attempting to replicate this event is never considered).

Potentially depressingly, the hatred labelled at Christians that they follow the Son of an ape is not recognised as hatred (presumably because the only necessary effort to kill Jesus has already been made, evolved or not).
I said it before, I'll say it again. You're an ignorant idiot.
 
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Jesus Christ was the Son of no ape!

To the evolutionist, Jesus is just an accident that, sadly, didn't happen more often (though the cost of attempting to replicate this event is never considered).

Potentially depressingly, the hatred labelled at Christians that they follow the Son of an ape is not recognised as hatred (presumably because the only necessary effort to kill Jesus has already been made, evolved or not).

Why do you hate Apes so much? You are an Ape. I am an Ape. Why do you find it depressing that the name of the animal we are is 'Ape'? Apes are fine animals, in all their diversity, and we are a very interesting species of Ape.

Worse, your Ape-hatred is dangerous, since it appears to have led you to wild accusations of hatred at people who haven't any hate in them, of Christians or anybody else. Such accusations have led to dire consequences in the past and in the present, most often falling on Apes of other tribes just going about their own business.

Shame on you!
 
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Peter sliced off someone's ear with a sword for less of an insult to Jesus than this!

If you have hope in Jesus healing you after your hatred has been wounded, have a thought for giving up that hatred.

Whether or not you strike someone who is offended enough to wound you (or worse), just remember, at least one person you've called the descendent of an ape doesn't hold it against you.
 
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Peter sliced off someone's ear with a sword for less of an insult to Jesus than this!

If you have hope in Jesus healing you after your hatred has been wounded, have a thought for giving up that hatred.

Whether or not you strike someone who is offended enough to wound you (or worse), just remember, at least one person you've called the descendent of an ape doesn't hold it against you.

I donno. you seem like an ape to me. pitty you couldn't have put to better use the dna God gave you.
 
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Jesus Christ was the Son of no ape!

To the evolutionist, Jesus is just an accident that, sadly, didn't happen more often (though the cost of attempting to replicate this event is never considered).

Potentially depressingly, the hatred labelled at Christians that they follow the Son of an ape is not recognised as hatred (presumably because the only necessary effort to kill Jesus has already been made, evolved or not).

and to Christians the world is nothing but a giant suck off contest against one another for favor of their God?

or maybe they think its all just a cage and were a immature Bully with the powers of a god tortures us for fun? Repent Repent!!!!

I could go on, but the bottom line is Jesus Christ WAS an ape. suck it up furry man.

Jesus wasn't an accident, (no one was), but I he thinks Christianity was. No good moral human could think otherwise. He told me this in confidence. have faith and you might understand this.

Begone Fallacious DEMON and stop lying for Jesus. He told me he is sick of it.
 
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Peter sliced off someone's ear with a sword for less of an insult to Jesus than this!

If you have hope in Jesus healing you after your hatred has been wounded, have a thought for giving up that hatred.

Whether or not you strike someone who is offended enough to wound you (or worse), just remember, at least one person you've called the descendent of an ape doesn't hold it against you.
It's got nothing to do with hatred, Gottservant. The only thing it's got something to do with is descriptions. If you lump all apes together and describe all common their characteristics, you have also described humans. Calling someone an ape because he has (amongst others) forward looking eyes, opposable thumbs and dexterous fingers is no more or less derogatory than calling someone a lumberjack because he cuts down trees. It's just a description.

The only reason you find it insulting is because you are so extremely arrogant.
 
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Jesus Christ was the Son of no ape!
Well, he is supposed to have been the son of Mary, and she most certainly was (insofar as she was human, at least).

To the evolutionist, Jesus is just an accident that, sadly, didn't happen more often (though the cost of attempting to replicate this event is never considered).
Not necessarily. For instance, it is possible for someone to believe in the whole common descent fiasco, and also that the Hebrew god manifested as Jesus. In that regard, Jesus was an exception to the rule.

Potentially depressingly, the hatred labelled at Christians that they follow the Son of an ape
Show me one instance of this ever happening in the history of the Interwebs. Ever.

is not recognised as hatred (presumably because the only necessary effort to kill Jesus has already been made, evolved or not).
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