What if you seek and don't find?

[HitchSlap]

They speak in a different way than you do right. We don't hear people on this forum but we can recognize when someone comes back by another name by the way they word their posts. This is the same context. When I read your posts, I don't hear the words but when I read them I read them with my brain and your thoughts sound like my thoughts inside my head but I know they are yours and can tell the difference not only because I know you are not me but that what you say is not what I would say.

See above.

False equivalency fallacy. Yes, I understand how internet forums facilitate communication.

I'm asking you, specifically, how do you determine your own thoughts from the god/s?

 

[Oncedeceived]

False equivalency fallacy. Yes, I understand how internet forums facilitate communication.

I'm asking you, specifically, how do you determine your own thoughts from the god/s?

I was not equating them I was trying to explain in the best way I knew how to do. I should have known better. You are not trying to really understand how I determine them from my own, you just want this line of dialog to confirm your own bias that my thoughts are just that...my thoughts.

 

[HitchSlap]

I was not equating them I was trying to explain in the best way I knew how to do. I should have known better. You are not trying to really understand how I determine them from my own, you just want this line of dialog to confirm your own bias that my thoughts are just that...my thoughts.

Don't blame your inability to adequately explain something on me. You claimed you have a relationship with an invisible being that communicates with you. I simply asked how you determine your own thoughts from those of the god/s. If you can't explain, just say so. Until then, it's more likely for a reasonable person to believe that all your thoughts are a function of a working brain, and you have determined some to be your own, and some to be from your invisible god/s.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Don't blame your inability to adequately explain something on me. You claimed you have a relationship with an invisible being that communicates with you. I simply asked how you determine your own thoughts from those of the god/s. If you can't explain, just say so. Until then, it's more likely for a reasonable person to believe that all your thoughts are a function of a working brain, and you have determined some to be your own, and some to be from your invisible god/s.

I explained. If you don't understand how that works after I've explained then it is more likely that your bias won't allow you.

 

[HitchSlap]

I explained. If you don't understand how that works after I've explained then it is more likely that your bias won't allow you.

Ok.

 

[Athée]

Ok.

Hey, HitchSlap and Oncedeceived.
Sorry to jump in but I feel like Once did actual try to examine how she k own the difference between her own thoughts and God's thoughts that are being communicated to her.

There are important differences in the way I think and the thoughts that are communicated that are attributed to God. The thoughts that are God's generally are instructing me and illuminating things I don't want to hear about myself. With thoughts that do not necessarily have anything to do with me personally are usually confirmed by at least two or three other occurrences that are all "saying" the same thing.

So she can tell a God thought because it.
1. Illuminates things
2. Tells her things she doesn't want to hear about herself.
3. If the subject is external to her it is confirmed by others signs.

And I think an unstated 4th ( but Once can let me know if I am off track)

4. The though is in line with how Once understands the Bible

 

[HitchSlap]

Hey, HitchSlap and Oncedeceived.
Sorry to jump in but I feel like Once did actual try to examine how she k own the difference between her own thoughts and God's thoughts that are being communicated to her.



So she can tell a God thought because it.
1. Illuminates things
2. Tells her things she doesn't want to hear about herself.
3. If the subject is external to her it is confirmed by others signs.

And I think an unstated 4th ( but Once can let me know if I am off track)

4. The though is in line with how Once understands the Bible

All of these things are possible with a normal functioning brain. So how does she determine these thoughts to be special communication from the god/s, and not a function of her own brain?

 

[Cearbhall]

I explained. If you don't understand how that works after I've explained then it is more likely that your bias won't allow you.

I'm not saying that theistic relationships are a mental illness, but there are all sorts of people who would say this same thing when they're 100% wrong and need treatment. Having this experience doesn't make you right, and his inability to have the same experience or understand the supposed logic of it does not mean he's biased. You are the one having an inexplicable experience.

 

[Oncedeceived]

All of these things are possible with a normal functioning brain. So how does she determine these thoughts to be special communication from the god/s, and not a function of her own brain?

The function of my brain does not have the power to manipulate the natural world.

 

[HitchSlap]

The function of my brain does not have the power to manipulate the natural world.

Come again?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Hey, HitchSlap and Oncedeceived.
Sorry to jump in but I feel like Once did actual try to examine how she k own the difference between her own thoughts and God's thoughts that are being communicated to her.



So she can tell a God thought because it.
1. Illuminates things
2. Tells her things she doesn't want to hear about herself.
3. If the subject is external to her it is confirmed by others signs.

And I think an unstated 4th ( but Once can let me know if I am off track)

4. The though is in line with how Once understands the Bible

Thank you Athee. All of them are correct but the 4th. More times than not, what is in line with my understanding is corrected.

I edited to add: I wanted to clarify. The thoughts must be in line with Biblical theology but the interpretation is sometimes where I am corrected.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Come again?

I, myself (my brain function) can not manipulate the natural world. When thoughts are confirmed they are not confirmed by other thoughts in my brain but activities in the natural world.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm not saying that theistic relationships are a mental illness, but there are all sorts of people who would say this same thing when they're 100% wrong and need treatment. Having this experience doesn't make you right, and his inability to have the same experience or understand the supposed logic of it does not mean he's biased. You are the one having an inexplicable experience.

Fair enough, but we do know that when mental illness presents itself by hearing voices and even alternate personalities the person is not living a normal and healthy lifestyle with no one being aware of their illness.

 

[Athée]

Thank you Athee. All of them are correct but the 4th. More times than not, what is in line with my understanding is corrected.

That is really interesting. I had assumed that one of the tests you would run on a thought to determine of it was from God would be, does it align with scripture. You seem to be saying that these thoughts actually change what you thought scripture means? Were your earlier understandings false and based on your own human limitations but your new understanding is holy spirit inspired?

 

[HitchSlap]

I, myself (my brain function) can not manipulate the natural world. When thoughts are confirmed they are not confirmed by other thoughts in my brain but activities in the natural world.

Yes, our brains evolved to seek patterns, also a trait of a normally functioning brain. It's what's kept our species alive. Better to assume a rustle in the bush is a lion than to assume it's just the wind. Pattern recognition in no way confirms your assertion that you're in fact communicating with the god/s.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yes, our brains evolved to seek patterns, also a trait of a normally functioning brain. It's what's kept our species alive. Better to assume a rustle in the bush is a lion than to assume it's just the wind. Pattern recognition in no way confirms your assertion that you're in fact communicating with the god/s.

Who says that is what I am talking about? Why do you assume pattern recognition?

 

[HitchSlap]

Who says that is what I am talking about? Why do you assume pattern recognition?

Sorry, you haven't really given much detail, rather vague, actually, so I'm doing my best to parse out what you might be implying?

Are you actually suggesting your god/s allows you manipulate the natural world, Harry Potter style?

 

[Oncedeceived]

That is really interesting. I had assumed that one of the tests you would run on a thought to determine of it was from God would be, does it align with scripture. You seem to be saying that these thoughts actually change what you thought scripture means? Were your earlier understandings false and based on your own human limitations but your new understanding is holy spirit inspired?

No, that is why I clarified. If it goes against Christian theology/scripture then I would be alarmed. It is usually interpretation. For instance, predestination. It wasn't what I believed until you and AC were discussing it and my thinking is being altered by several things I've been directed by in reading the Bible. I'm am being led to the understanding that free will and predestination are valid. How? Don't know yet.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Sorry, you haven't really given much detail, rather vague, actually, so I'm doing my best to parse out what you might be implying?

Are you actually suggesting your god/s allows you manipulate the natural world, Harry Potter style?

Exactly the opposite. I can't manipulate the natural world.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, that is why I clarified. If it goes against Christian theology/scripture then I would be alarmed. It is usually interpretation. For instance, predestination. It wasn't what I believed until you and AC were discussing it and my thinking is being altered by several things I've been directed by in reading the Bible. I'm am being led to the understanding that free will and predestination are valid. How? Don't know yet.

The "how" is the fact you're reading up on it. It's how we make informed decisions and beliefs about reality are developed.