What if the Great Deception was.....................

[CherubRam]

what does it have to do with parables? You say the Bible is to hard to understand, so how do you understand and know these writings as you see them are correct?

The Bible doesn't say anything other than the Bible is the Word of God, so what is it then?

A spirit of discernment is required, and a little help from God.


Dreams Parables Proverbs Riddles Sayings Visions.


The bible often is written in a parable without giving any indication that it is parabolic.


Numbers 12:8
With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”


Psalm 49:4
I will turn my ear to a proverb; with the harp I will expound my riddle:


Proverbs 1:6
for understanding proverbs and parables, the sayings and riddles of the wise.


Daniel 5:12
He did this because Daniel, whom the king called Belteshazzar, was found to have a keen mind and knowledge and understanding, and also the ability to interpret dreams, explain riddles and solve difficult problems. Call for Daniel, and he will tell you what the writing means.”


Ezekiel 20:49
Then I said, “Sovereign LORD, they are saying of me, ‘Isn’t he just telling parables?’”


Hosea 12:10
I spoke to the prophets, gave them many visions and told parables through them.”


Matthew 13:3
Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.


Matthew 13:10
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”


Matthew 13:13
This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.


Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.


Matthew 13:35
So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”


Psalm 78
2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, things from of old...

 

[visionary]

A spirit of discernment is required, and a little help from God.


Dreams Parables Proverbs Riddles Sayings Visions.


The bible often is written in a parable without giving any indication that it is parabolic.


Numbers 12:8
With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”


Psalm 49:4
I will turn my ear to a proverb; with the harp I will expound my riddle:


Proverbs 1:6
for understanding proverbs and parables, the sayings and riddles of the wise.


Daniel 5:12
He did this because Daniel, whom the king called Belteshazzar, was found to have a keen mind and knowledge and understanding, and also the ability to interpret dreams, explain riddles and solve difficult problems. Call for Daniel, and he will tell you what the writing means.”


Ezekiel 20:49
Then I said, “Sovereign LORD, they are saying of me, ‘Isn’t he just telling parables?’”


Hosea 12:10
I spoke to the prophets, gave them many visions and told parables through them.”


Matthew 13:3
Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.


Matthew 13:10
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”


Matthew 13:13
This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.


Matthew 13:34
Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.


Matthew 13:35
So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”


Psalm 78
2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, things from of old...

It is a theme of yours...

 

[Meowzltov]

what does it have to do with parables? You say the Bible is to hard to understand, so how do you understand and know these writings as you see them are correct?

The Bible doesn't say anything other than the Bible is the Word of God, so what is it then?

Where does anything in the Bible say that 2 Peter is the Word of God? Or Romans? or Thessalonians?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Where does anything in the Bible say that 2 Peter is the Word of God? Or Romans? or Thessalonians?

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[Meowzltov]

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

When Paul said, "All Scripture," the only canon that existed at that time was Moses (the 5 books of Law) and the Prophets. The Writings and the NT were not yet part of the Bible.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where does anything in the Bible say that 2 Peter is the Word of God? Or Romans? or Thessalonians?

Right there in the front: Table of Contents

 

[Meowzltov]

Right there in the front: Table of Contents

Who says the Table of Contents is inspired? Who wrote the Table of Contents? The Truth is that the Table of Contents is not part of the Bible--it's something the editors add to tell you what page number each book starts on, like the preface is addedand introductions to the Books, and the maps in the back. And there is nowhere in the Bible that the list of Bible books is given.

 

[ToBeLoved]

When Paul said, "All Scripture," the only canon that existed at that time was Moses (the 5 books of Law) and the Prophets. The Writings and the NT were not yet part of the Bible.

God already knew what would be written when He had this written. God is Omniscient.

 

[Meowzltov]

God already knew what would be written when He had this written. God is Omniscient.

Irrelevant.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? You don't think that when God made the promises to the Israelite's about the New Covenant that God was going to keep His Word? Why would He not keep His Word about what was written in 1 Timothy?

 

[Laureate]

Regards to oral Torah: It is not likely there would be a parable in the oral Torah, but it is not impossible. It remains to be seen.

Everything prior to the penmanship of Moshé was once Oral Torah.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Everything prior to the penmanship of Moshé was once Oral Torah.

That is not what I was saying, in regard to the oral torah, I was talking about now and that it is supplemental to the Word of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Everything prior to the penmanship of Moshé was once Oral Torah.

Clarify please, that you are referring to
what was in line with YHWH, flowing from YHWH, HIS PLAN,
and
not what false prophets and false teachers and antichrist types spoke.
(all along, just like the wickednesses before the flood when everyone had to be destroyed, except NOAH and the others who YHWH saved; )
- all the conversation of the wicked, then and now, is not oral TORAH, is it ?

 

[Laureate]

Clarify please, that you are referring to
what was in line with YHWH, flowing from YHWH, HIS PLAN,
and
not what false prophets and false teachers and antichrist types spoke.
(all along, just like the wickednesses before the flood when everyone had to be destroyed, except NOAH and the others who YHWH saved; )
- all the conversation of the wicked, then and now, is not oral TORAH, is it ?

The recorded events from בראשית to Moshé is Torah is it not? Yet they were oral, and lived out as actions speeak louder than words, and though the Light shines in the dark, yet the darkness perceives it not;

The Oral Law is the original Covenant restored by Îyésʰûʷəʰ, aka the (re-)New(-ed) Covenant, it is the ignorance of babes, and unfaithful who presume their lips are their own, consequently Elohym hands them over to their own diluted imaginations, and secures them in their own lies, nothing New under the Sun here;

The pure Language of Noah's day, which was taken vainly, it was Convoluted by Elohym when He saw how our immature propensities were prone to miss using it;

At which time the pure Language equated to dying, being buried in the hearts of Convoluted Adam(ah) Men, yet it was to sprout the world's first Prophet Abvraham;

A Man who knew his lips were not his own, when he opened his mouth, he knew Elohym was the One who filled it, therefore Elohym handed him over to believe the Toruth written in his heart, because when Elohym spoke, Abvraham heard His Voice, not his own, for when the words "I am..." proceeded from his lips, he did not presume to be the "I am" (lit., the Person speaking), as the Wicked do.

 

[Laureate]

Were not Miriam and Aaron Anointed, yet like Peter who went from being blessed to representing Satan upon shifting from the shoulder of Elohym to the shoulder of men.

Who moved the Anointed David to number Israel? Who was Sent the Angel Satan to buffet him? Or to whom does Satan report to?

 

[Laureate]

That is not what I was saying, in regard to the oral torah, I was talking about now and that it is supplemental to the Word of God.

The Torah is the Word of Elohym, for His Word is Law, and the Law was made manifest in the בשר 'Flesh, Gospel, etc.,' He is the Messenger of the New Covenant, He is the Sower who places the Word of Elohym in our hearts;

The Wicked One who finds the Divine Seed tossed to the Wayside, he is the king of all pride, aka the Ego who swoops down and claims the Divine seed to be his own;

Consequently making them Anti-Christ, though they be Anointed, they fail to Establish it with Their Belief of the Truth;

"For the Father himself, who has Sent Me, has borne Witness of Me. You have Neither Heard His Voice at any time, Nor Seen His Image.

And you have Not His Word Abiding In You: (only) because you do not Believe the one whom he has Sent." [John 5:37-38]

But because We Do Believe the One whom He has Sent, We Do have His Word abiding In Us, thereby making Us truly Messianic-Christians, i.e., Anointed Beings;

And the Divine seed that falls into shallow souls, who fail to understand the כבוד 'Glory, Depth, etc.,' of the Rock and Consuming Fire sitting in the midst of His Throne, aka שמים 'Heaven, (our) Atmosphere, etc.,' for He is El Sʰədʰəî [lit., The (clump of) Earth]:

While they can only bring forth lip service from the initial joy of their rootless hearts, (Jews who have forgotten their origin), they are easily offended by those who are more Righteous than them self, who study the Word of Elohym (not commentary, hearsay, etc.,) day, and night, permitting the Spirit of Truth to be their guiding Light;

For it is those who Trust, and Rely on Him alone, in His Word, His Grace, they are those who Continue to bring forth fruit/understanding of the Divine seed that is, was, and shall come to be sown in the hearts of Enos.

 

[AbbaLove]

The Oral Law is the original Covenant restored by Îyésʰûʷəʰ, aka the (re-)New(-ed) Covenant ... .

As you're aware your definition of Oral Law is not the traditional understanding of the Oral Law of Rabbinic Judaism.

What do you make of Messianic Jews that believe the Oral Law of Rabbinic Judaism is worth studying to better understand the Oral Law of the (re-)New(-ed) Covenant.

Care to Comment​

 

[Meowzltov]

Everything prior to the penmanship of Moshé was once Oral Torah.

While it is true that i.e. the stories of Abraham were passed down orally for many generations before finally being written down, this is not what we refer to as Oral Torah. The Torah is the 5 books of Law as we have them now, as Yeshua had them. In addition to the Torah was all the case law from the judges that had built up. Much later, after Yeshua, this Oral Torah would be written down into the Talmud.

 

[visionary]

While it is true that i.e. the stories of Abraham were passed down orally for many generations before finally being written down, this is not what we refer to as Oral Torah. The Torah is the 5 books of Law as we have them now, as Yeshua had them. In addition to the Torah was all the case law from the judges that had built up. Much later, after Yeshua, this Oral Torah would be written down into the Talmud.

are you saying Oral Torah didn't exist until it was written down?

 

[Meowzltov]

are you saying Oral Torah didn't exist until it was written down?

No, no! LOL I'm so sorry if I was not clear. Oral Torah is the rulings of the Judges (Pharisees, Rabbis) and Levites beginning back in Moshe's day.