What if the Great Deception was.....................

[Adstar]

I do think that the world is being prepared for this.

How many today believe because of two men's interpretation of a few verses to which they turned into a multi million dollar enterprises, books, movies, and other related things that the believers shouldn't worry because they won't be here to experience all that?

This goes back to the 1970's and I remember well the first book/movie issued to that generation. It was (not coincidentally) the awakening to who the True Messiah is to hundreds and then thousands of Jews.

I assume you are talking of the Pre-tribulation rapture movie, i think it was called "Left behind" ???

 

[visionary]

I assume you are talking of the Pre-tribulation rapture movie, i think it was called "Left behind" ???

... sounds like it.... but then it becomes the joke as time goes by

 

[Laureate]

How do you know it's prophecy?

The End is Ascertainable by the Beginning.

"Produce your case, says Îyéhûʷəʰ; bring forth your strong reasons, says the King of Jacob.

Let them bring them forth, and show us what shall happen: let them show the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come." [Isaiah 41:21-22]

"Declaring the End from the Beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" [Isaiah 46:10]

 

[Laureate]

Are you suggesting that HaShem's true calendar is closer to 6000 (e.g. 5900) than 5777? By "intervention" are you referring to His imminent return to establish His Kingdom on earth.

The Jewish calendar readily admits to ommitting a few years here and there, without such omissions we are in the year 6000+, meaning we are early in the seventh millennial day, and simultaneously it is early in the third millennial day from the crucifixion;

Notwithstanding Elijah/Abvraham will come first and restore all things, he is the אליה '[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]/Tail' of the Tanah 'Whale/Dragon' mentioned in Rev. 12, he is the Prophet that teaches Lies, for those who do not Believe Elohym inadvertently make him out to be a Liar, and the Father of it.

He is the Mouth of the Dragon which spews out a flood, he is the Mighty one mentioned in Isaiah 28 who sweeps away the refuge of lies;

Why? Because they called the Master of the house Beelzebub/Satan, and the sad thing of it all, there are more individuals who are bracing them self to meet the Anti Christ, and Satan, than there are actually looking for Elijah/Abvraham.

 

[CherubRam]

I don't understand what you are saying, can you word it differently?

Here is a partial answer:

Revelation 9:15
And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

Revelation 9:18
A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths.

Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

 

[CherubRam]

You said that Christians have a shortcoming because they believe in parables (which Yeshua used almost exclusively).

So I'm asking for the specific shortcomings and the parables.

It's very simple. Backing up your statement. Shortcomings please and how are non-Christians better because they are not like Christians.

There is no such thing as Angels, the correct translation is "messenger." Great size is parabolic for greatness as a messenger. Standing on the land and sea is parabolic for America and the rest of the people in the world. And the list goes on and on. The word "Hell" is not in the original text.

 

[AbbaLove]

The Jewish calendar readily admits to omitting a few years here and there, without such omissions we are in the year 6000+, meaning we are early in the seventh millennial day, and simultaneously it is early in the third millennial day from the crucifixion;

Do you know of any other links (beside TCC) that at one time suggested 5999 in 2014 became 6000 in 2015? Are you aware of ANY {so-called} reputable link that now suggests 5999 in 2016 with 6000 in 2017?

 

[CherubRam]

The Jewish calendar readily admits to ommitting a few years here and there, without such omissions we are in the year 6000+, meaning we are early in the seventh millennial day, and simultaneously it is early in the third millennial day from the crucifixion;

Notwithstanding Elijah/Abvraham will come first and restore all things, he is the אליה '[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]/Tail' of the Tanah 'Whale/Dragon' mentioned in Rev. 12, he is the Prophet that teaches Lies, for those who do not Believe Elohym inadvertently make him out to be a Liar, and the Father of it.

He is the Mouth of the Dragon which spews out a flood, he is the Mighty one mentioned in Isaiah 28 who sweeps away the refuge of lies;

Why? Because they called the Master of the house Beelzebub/Satan, and the sad thing of it all, there are more individuals who are bracing them self to meet the Anti Christ, and Satan, than there are actually looking for Elijah/Abvraham.

The Jewish sage Rabbi Akiva (AKA Akiba) convinced the Sanhedrin to support the impending revolt, and to regard the chosen commander Simon Bar Kokhba to be the Jewish Messiah, according to the Star Prophecy verse from Numbers 24:17: "There shall come a star out of Jacob"

("Bar Kokhba" means "son of a star" in the Aramaic language.


At the time Christianity was still a minor sect of Judaism, and most historians believe that it was this messianic claim in favor of Bar Kokhba that alienated many Christians (including Jewish Christians), who believed that the true messiah was Yahshua, and that this sharply deepened the schism between Jews and Christians.


The Jewish leaders carefully planned the second revolt to avoid numerous mistakes that had plagued the first Great Jewish Revolt sixty years earlier. In 132, a revolt led by Bar Kokhba quickly spread from Modi'in across the country, cutting off the Roman garrison in Jerusalem.


Carbon 14 dates are consistently 100–150 years earlier than Israel’s historical dates. It is believed that Rabbi Akiba subtracted time from the Civil Hebrew Calendar, to give credence to Simon Kokhba being the Messiah to come. My best guess is that the Civil Hebrew Calendar is off by about 140 years.

 

[Adstar]

... sounds like it.... but then it becomes the joke as time goes by

well i am not a pre-tribulation rapture believer.. But there is still a large number of people who still believe in the Pre-tribulation rapture.. So it is not a joke to a lot of people..

I am a second coming of Jesus rapture believer myself.. Different timing..

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The misinterpretation of the End Times?

What if we are looking for the signs that have be interpreted by those before us and they were wrong?

What if we are being misdirected? Looking for one thing while others pass us by because we weren't watching?

The great ability a Magician has is misdirection. They make you believe something has happened because they are redirecting your focus somewhere else.

I think this happens a lot, all over the world, especially the last 30 to 60 years.
It was planned - so no surprise.
Well, it will possibly be a shocking surprise for multitudes - but then, so is judgment day (in REVELATION), right ?

Perhaps though, you mean, or aim at what is then the sensible thing to do ?

Simple. Avoid sinning regularly. Gather together and talk about YHWH (GOD). Do what is right every day. Learn from the GOOD SHEPHERD how to live. (yes, from Y'SHUA (JESUS), whose voice we sheep listen to, everyone) ....

Notice this has always been truth. (ie. mis-direction is not something new among mankind).
Likewise obeying YHWH, honoring HIS WORD, seeking HIS KINGDOM, has always been right and good - OT and NT.

Simply put - follow JESUS. HE is ALIVE ! HalleluYAH !

 

[Laureate]

...Our focus is not on the evil continually "as it was in the days of Noah" but in the truth and its salvation message through adherence. Adherence is where the rubber meets the road, and we learn our weaknesses, our strengths in Him, and our need for Him without ceasing.

it is like the bank tellers are taught what to look for in the genuine so that when the counterfeit shows up, it is apparent by subtle differences. Poison taken in minute amounts or in a mixture given by a trusted source is still poison. The great deception is the dots connected from all the sources of poison brought together as acceptable in small bits thus acceptable in its entirety. I think the crowning touch will be when the author of it all appears to get the accolades he has been craving.

I remember the very first thing that the Spirit taught me concerning how to discern a lie;

"One does not learn the Truth by studying a lie, it is by studying and coming into the Knowledge of Truth that lies become self evident."

The second thing the Spirit taught me concerning a Lie is, "A Lie is the Truth out of proper perspective, having three appearances,

1) something added
2) something missing, and
3) all parts are present but not in their proper place

In actuality, one, and two above are essentially a part of three, for a Lie is a Perversion (Distortion) of the Truth, and though the Truth has Nothing to do with a Lie, a Lie has Everything to do with the Truth, for it is the Truth that it is Lying on."

Study, and Know the Truth, and a Lie will be evident!

 

[Laureate]

You are doing a count, starting when for the 6000 years. And how did you determine your starting point?

In the beginning.... [Genesis] this beginning, not some other beginning, though there be many others to mention, Seth was born in the year 0130 because that is how old Adam was when he begot him in the beginning heaven gave us to reckon from.

 

[Laureate]

Do you know of any other links (beside TCC) that at one time suggested 5999 in 2014 became 6000 in 2015? Are you aware of ANY {so-called} reputable link that now suggests 5999 in 2016 with 6000 in 2017?

I do not recall where I saw the pertinent info, but I did take the time to carefully trace the biblical historical events from the beginning, and you would be surprised as to how the years were carefully recorded throughout the texts, non biblical sources show discrepancies pertaining to dates which appear during the reigns of kings, I'll have to dig through my studies and see what I can find;

It's a worthy project to invest one's time in, when one can actually find the time

 

[Meowzltov]

I am just repeating what the bible says.

Where does it say that the sixth day is ongoing, and the seventh day is prophecy for the messianic age? Chapter and verse.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, indeed - others , many through the centuries, have determined , or rather kept track of accurately, how old the earth is. It is not information for everyone. < shrugs > Not everyone cares.

 

[Meowzltov]

As far as poverty and war. I think things are very different in this day and age of the internet and global business and thinking. We know now the issues in other countries, like Aid's, unclean water and that they have no way to sustain their economy or resources like health care. So it is not that we do not know as things have been in the past before the internet and more information.

I'm not saying that things aren't bad and must be improved. I'm just remarking that things are better than they've ever been.

 

[Meowzltov]

I have read somewhere in the Internet that it is rabbinic interpretation.

Sure. It's one opinion among a great many. Two Jews, three opinions. I'm very glad to see that you are exploring Rabbinic literature. Stretches the thinking!

 

[Meowzltov]

The End is Ascertainable by the Beginning.

"Produce your case, says Îyéhûʷəʰ; bring forth your strong reasons, says the King of Jacob.

Let them bring them forth, and show us what shall happen: let them show the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come." [Isaiah 41:21-22]

"Declaring the End from the Beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" [Isaiah 46:10]

This doesn't even come close to answering the question.

 

[visionary]

6000 will be the last year, the year when Messiah will arrive and usher in the redemption, is a belief that makes a lot of people try to calculate when that is. This world, as we know it, will last for six thousand years, with the seventh millennium ushering in the cosmic Shabbat, the Messianic Era. Six days a week we work, and on the Shabbat we rest and enjoy the fruits of our labor; the same is true with millenniums.

Everyone is, of course, aware of the institution of the "Sabbath for man" in Genesis, which is also in the Ten Commandments. A week of days consists of six days for labor, followed by a day of rest.

It is interesting that this pattern is again replicated in several other ways.

1. "Week of Weeks," or "Counting of the Omer," between the Feast of First Fruits and the Feast of Weeks, in Hebrew, Hag HaShavuot. This was also the time between our First Fruits (the Resurrection) and the born again experience of the believers in assembly at Pentecost.

2. "Week of Months," is from Passover in the Exodus, between the month of Nisan, to Tishri, at Rosh Hashannah.

3. "Week of Years" can be found in the Sabbatical year, where is a Sabbath rest for the land. After six years of cultivation, they were to allow the land to rest for a year.

4. "Week of Millenniums" If there are "weeks" (groups of seven) of days, weeks, months, and years, what about millennia? Nachmonides (1194-1270) wrote about the Sabbatical Millennium, 6,000 years of man's attempts to govern himself, followed by 1,000 years of God's perfect rule, for a total of 7,000. Revelation talks about the Millennial Rest.

 

[ToBeLoved]

There is no such thing as Angels, the correct translation is "messenger." Great size is parabolic for greatness as a messenger. Standing on the land and sea is parabolic for America and the rest of the people in the world. And the list goes on and on. The word "Hell" is not in the original text.

I don't see how that shows Christians use parables at all, but I'll let it go.

Don't the Jewish people follow texts that aren't even in the Bible? How does that all work? I don't understand how outside teaching fits in to what Jewish people believe.