What if Hitler and the Nazis had Won?

[Archivist]

What if Germany had defeated the UK and the USSR during World War II? What if they had been the first to come up with the atomic bomb, forcing the US to capitulate?

What would have happened to Christianity?

We know that the Nazis were not Christian and were, in fact, opposed to Christianity. One of their objectives was to remove all explicit Jewish content from the Bible. This would have meant the removal of various material including the Old Testament and the Gospel of Matthew. Christianity would have been cleansed from any Jewish element and Jesus would have been turned into a proper Aryan, something the Nazis called "Positive Christianity."

Would the Church have prevailed? My answer is yes--Hitler couldn't conquer Jesus. But it makes for an interesting "what if"--what would have happened?

The Nazis and Christianity

 

[Dave L]

What if Germany had defeated the UK and the USSR during World War II? What if they had been the first to come up with the atomic bomb, forcing the US to capitulate?

What would have happened to Christianity?

We know that the Nazis were not Christian and were, in fact, opposed to Christianity. One of their objectives was to remove all explicit Jewish content from the Bible. This would have meant the removal of various material including the Old Testament and the Gospel of Matthew. Christianity would have been cleansed from any Jewish element and Jesus would have been turned into a proper Aryan, something the Nazis called "Positive Christianity."

Would the Church have prevailed? My answer is yes--Hitler couldn't conquer Jesus. But it makes for an interesting "what if"--what would have happened?

The Nazis and Christianity

I think Christians were involved as Nazis. I read where even the Mennonites took up arms and fought for Hitler. Mennonite Nazis: A Lesson from History | The Heartbeat of the Remnant

 

[chevyontheriver]

What if Germany had defeated the UK and the USSR during World War II? What if they had been the first to come up with the atomic bomb, forcing the US to capitulate?

What would have happened to Christianity?

We know that the Nazis were not Christian and were, in fact, opposed to Christianity. One of their objectives was to remove all explicit Jewish content from the Bible. This would have meant the removal of various material including the Old Testament and the Gospel of Matthew. Christianity would have been cleansed from any Jewish element and Jesus would have been turned into a proper Aryan, something the Nazis called "Positive Christianity."

Would the Church have prevailed? My answer is yes--Hitler couldn't conquer Jesus. But it makes for an interesting "what if"--what would have happened?

The Nazis and Christianity

An interesting thought experiment.

Yes, the Christian faith would somehow endure, and of course in the end we win. But it would have been bad. The power of the state would be pushing 'Positive Christianity' which was an empty thing. Real believers would have gone underground.

Anyhow, what really scares me is how America seems to be in it's Weimar stage right now. I think we are headed for a fall into totalitarianism of the left or of the right. Neither are appealing.

 

[Dave L]

An interesting thought experiment.

Yes, the Christian faith would somehow endure, and of course in the end we win. But it would have been bad. The power of the state would be pushing 'Positive Christianity' which was an empty thing. Real believers would have gone underground.

Anyhow, what really scares me is how America seems to be in it's Weimar stage right now. I think we are headed for a fall into totalitarianism of the left or of the right. Neither are appealing.

Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III … to Speed Up the Second Coming - Global Research

 

[Francis Drake]

Mmm?
Looking at some of the current riots, maybe the Nazis did win. Or if they didn't win, their violence and intimidation tactics for elections have lived on.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III … to Speed Up the Second Coming - Global Research

Somehow I'm not convinced that it's multiple millions that want this. The article is a bit of a confused mess. It has what looks like a Catholic chaplain in the picture and then talks of a subset of evangelicals. It sites Tony Blair, who ended up Catholic. I donno. The article is, as I said, a mess. Not that I don't believe that there aren't some who want to bring on WWIII. For the record, I DO NOT want to bring on totalitarianism in the USA. I just think we really are in our Weimar days and I don't see a way out hat doesn't go through totalitarianism.

 

[Dave L]

Somehow I'm not convinced that it's multiple millions that want this. The article is a bit of a confused mess. It has what looks like a Catholic chaplain in the picture and then talks of a subset of evangelicals. It sites Tony Blair, who ended up Catholic. I donno. The article is, as I said, a mess. Not that I don't believe that there aren't some who want to bring on WWIII. For the record, I DO NOT want to bring on totalitarianism in the USA. I just think we really are in our Weimar days and I don't see a way out hat doesn't go through totalitarianism.

It depends on the circles you run in. I'm around many Evangelicals and they have a rabid passion for this sort of thing.

 

[SkyWriting]

What if Germany had defeated the UK and the USSR during World War II? What if they had been the first to come up with the atomic bomb, forcing the US to capitulate?What would have happened to Christianity?We know that the Nazis were not Christian and were, in fact, opposed to Christianity. One of their objectives was to remove all explicit Jewish content from the Bible. This would have meant the removal of various material including the Old Testament and the Gospel of Matthew. Christianity would have been cleansed from any Jewish element and Jesus would have been turned into a proper Aryan, something the Nazis called "Positive Christianity."
Would the Church have prevailed? My answer is yes--Hitler couldn't conquer Jesus. But it makes for an interesting "what if"--what would have happened?The Nazis and Christianity

Free state people will always win over other forms of government. Nobody has the resources to hold the US against it's will. Not even the US government.

 

[Dave L]

Free state people will always win over other forms of government. Nobody has the resources to hold the US against it's will. Not even the US government.

It happens through brain-washing.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It depends on the circles you run in. I'm around many Evangelicals and they have a rabid passion for this sort of thing.

Well, OK. I don't run in those circles. Deo gracias.

Does that explain the love affair evangelicals seem to have with Trump? Or maybe I shouldn't even ask because asking will ruin this thread. I hate the all politics all the time threads that devolve into cults and anti-cults of personality.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Free state people will always win over other forms of government. Nobody has the resources to hold the US against it's will. Not even the US government.

I think we can easily change our will and subject ourselves to tyranny. I think we are in the process right now.

 

[SkyWriting]

It happens through brain-washing.

But eventually, that goes away during the rinse cycle.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

What if Germany had defeated the UK and the USSR during World War II? What if they had been the first to come up with the atomic bomb, forcing the US to capitulate?

What would have happened to Christianity?

We know that the Nazis were not Christian and were, in fact, opposed to Christianity. One of their objectives was to remove all explicit Jewish content from the Bible. This would have meant the removal of various material including the Old Testament and the Gospel of Matthew. Christianity would have been cleansed from any Jewish element and Jesus would have been turned into a proper Aryan, something the Nazis called "Positive Christianity."

Would the Church have prevailed? My answer is yes--Hitler couldn't conquer Jesus. But it makes for an interesting "what if"--what would have happened?

The Nazis and Christianity

Well I like what the Amazon series "The Man in the High Castle did with that premise"

Christianity would be in a hard place because the Japanese also would not have like it and would have suppressed it in order to conform the culture to their own ideals.

 

[Dave L]

Well, OK. I don't run in those circles. Deo gracias.

Does that explain the love affair evangelicals seem to have with Trump? Or maybe I shouldn't even ask because asking will ruin this thread. I hate the all politics all the time threads that devolve into cults and anti-cults of personality.

I think it shows that Christians have always been vulnerable in succumbing to antiChristian alliances with the State. And even manipulate the State to fulfill its agenda. Grace Halsell and others have written much on the subject. (Prophecy and politics, for instants).

 

[Dave L]

I think we can easily change our will and subject ourselves to tyranny. I think we are in the process right now.

Why are things so bad without any sign of improvement?

 

[com7fy8]

I see how that was no coincidence, how the Nazis fell. right when they could have had the bomb.

But God can work with anything. So, what if He had decided Adolph would get the bomb? How might Adolph think? Using the bomb could destroy what Adolph considered to be his property. And if he did use it, America could go into suicidal mode of being so upset that America would not capitulate. And Adolph would have to consider how much property damage and ruin of the atmosphere he was willing to accept . . . which he would have to live with or die in, after defeating America. He was suicidal, some number of Nazis suicidally fought Allied tanks in Berlin, just standing right up to tanks . . . according to what I have been told. America has fought to the death, in a number of ways.

But if America capitulated > many could be just slaughtered, so Adolph could reward his loyal ones with property.

And I understand Jesus would have His gentle and humble ones simply pray and trust God to do what He wants with them. It could become simply another new day . . . like today

Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III

Jesus says many will be deceived.

"Wisdom is better than weapons of war." (in Ecclesiastes 9:18)

"Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us." (Romans 8:37)

The coming of Jesus will be decided by more and better than what conquerors can do. We will be gentle and humble in prayer, and this will have us fitting together with all which God knows really will happen and when.

I now think of how Jesus told the disciples to wait in Jerusalem, and they prayed and were in unity. Then was when God did what He was going to do. So, like this, if Adolph had defeated America, my opinion is Jesus our Lord and Savior would then have us know that was God's plan and we need to pray and obey how God would use that. We would not be surrendering to Satan and running scared.

And, by the way, some number of Americans have done supremacist things with killing, too. And they have not been stopped by American authorities and military. What if God really considers the unborn to be people? If the unborn really are, then even now in America we see how there are ones who can welcome excuses and their ideology and justification to kill members of a certain group, which is what Hitler did. Humans can have this sort of ability, and find ways for it to come out . . . with born people or the unborn. So, humans in America could somehow not be so different than humans elsewhere.

Of course, not everyone in Germany went along, and now not all Americans go along. So, in case Adolph brought another way of selective killing to America, other than how Americans themselves in history have done selective killing, not all would go along.

 

[eleos1954]

What if Germany had defeated the UK and the USSR during World War II? What if they had been the first to come up with the atomic bomb, forcing the US to capitulate?

What would have happened to Christianity?

We know that the Nazis were not Christian and were, in fact, opposed to Christianity. One of their objectives was to remove all explicit Jewish content from the Bible. This would have meant the removal of various material including the Old Testament and the Gospel of Matthew. Christianity would have been cleansed from any Jewish element and Jesus would have been turned into a proper Aryan, something the Nazis called "Positive Christianity."

Would the Church have prevailed? My answer is yes--Hitler couldn't conquer Jesus. But it makes for an interesting "what if"--what would have happened?

The Nazis and Christianity

The church does struggle .... but it will prevail. The Lord will accomplish His purpose.

If Hitler would have been successful ... most of the world would be under the oppression of communism and speaking German. Many people of faith would have been slaughtered for not conforming to atheism .... Jews would have been wiped of the face of the earth.

 

[Archivist]

The church does struggle .... but it will prevail. The Lord will accomplish His purpose.

If Hitler would have been successful ... most of the world would be under the oppression of communism and speaking German. Many people of faith would have been slaughtered for not conforming to atheism .... Jews would have been wiped of the face of the earth.

it is an interesting “what if.” The Nazis were good at issuing ever-increasing demands on conquered nations. “Turn over your Jews,” then “turn over your homosexuals,” then “turn over your mentally disabled,” then “turn over your Masons.” Then they would start going after churches and slowly impose positive Christianity. By that point the anti-Nazi fervor would have become very strong. Could the Nazis control the world? I don't think so.

Of course this is a hypothetical and it ignores many factors. The Germans lacked long-range bombers so until they would have built one or developed a long-range rocket, they couldn’t have gotten an atomic bomb to America. The Germans lacked a navy other than u-boats (yes, they had the Bismark and the Tripitz, but neither would have stood up to a US Iowa class battleship, and they never completed an aircraft carrier) and the and had they successfully invaded the UK the Royal Navy would almost certainly have sailed for Canada and joined the US fleet.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Why are things so bad without any sign of improvement?

There are glimmers of hope. And we know that at least a remnant of the faith survives. The question is how big a remnant it will be.