What I don't understand about the arguement for Abortion.

[FrancesJames09]

See, I'm a Roman Catholic and I always had a different notion considering abortion. I do consider abortion to be wrong; it's simply a personal conviction--I don't like it and I don't like that there are women who are put in the position where they feel like they have to have abortions; but there is one thing that my mother, my mother having been born in 1942, told me that had me not rethinking my dislike of abortion, but simply how I thought about the matter. I'll Explain--

My mother was brought up during a time when abortion was illegal. She had heard stories of women performing abortions on themselves in order to rid themselves of unwanted children. It didn't matter to these women whether abortion was legal or not--they were having abortion and in some instances getting themselves killed. The point being, my mother would tell me here, that making abortion illegal doesn't get rid of the problem. Whether it's legal or not, women are going to have them.

What will happen to these women? Will they throw themselves down stairs to get rid of their children? Will they take pills? Will they use coat hangers or syringes and wind up getting a possibly lethal infection? These are the questions and situations that will suddenly start popping up if abortion were made illegal.

So ask yourself, my mother said, what is the worse of these two evils? That abortion remain legal and where a woman might have a chance to think, to live a good healthy life; or for her to risk her life; or that abortion is illegal and the woman still has an abortion at the risk of her own life?

I am pro-life, and that's why the majority of my focus is on making social condiotions better where maybe women won't have to have abortions any more, because I know for a certainty that simply making abortion illegal isn't going to solve the problem.

The question to me is an entirely different one. Pro-life is what I am, because I don't like abortion, war, nor the death penalty. I'm pro-choice, because being anti-choice is the worse of those two evils.

 

[mathetes123]

See, I'm a Roman Catholic and I always had a different notion considering abortion. I do consider abortion to be wrong; it's simply a personal conviction--I don't like it and I don't like that there are women who are put in the position where they feel like they have to have abortions; but there is one thing that my mother, my mother having been born in 1942, told me that had me not rethinking my dislike of abortion, but simply how I thought about the matter. I'll Explain--

My mother was brought up during a time when abortion was illegal. She had heard stories of women performing abortions on themselves in order to rid themselves of unwanted children. It didn't matter to these women whether abortion was legal or not--they were having abortion and in some instances getting themselves killed. The point being, my mother would tell me here, that making abortion illegal doesn't get rid of the problem. Whether it's legal or not, women are going to have them.

What will happen to these women? Will they throw themselves down stairs to get rid of their children? Will they take pills? Will they use coat hangers or syringes and wind up getting a possibly lethal infection? These are the questions and situations that will suddenly start popping up if abortion were made illegal.

So ask yourself, my mother said, what is the worse of these two evils? That abortion remain legal and where a woman might have a chance to think, to live a good healthy life; or for her to risk her life; or that abortion is illegal and the woman still has an abortion at the risk of her own life?

I am pro-life, and that's why the majority of my focus is on making social condiotions better where maybe women won't have to have abortions any more, because I know for a certainty that simply making abortion illegal isn't going to solve the problem.

The question to me is an entirely different one. Pro-life is what I am, because I don't like abortion, war, nor the death penalty. I'm pro-choice, because being anti-choice is the worse of those two evils.

You can't be pro life and pro choice. Either it is right or wrong to kill an unborn baby. Your analysis completely ignores the fact that a person is killed one hundred percent of the time by this "procedure". If a woman is willing to hurt herself to kill her baby, why is the fault not placed on her rather than a law allowing her the "choice" to kill her baby?

 

[FrancesJames09]

I don't think I ignored it, but that's just me.

So, you're asking me why not simply let a woman risk her life by using an unsafe means to abort her child? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here.

Abortion is wrong in my opinion. There/ I've clearly made a decision.

Now there's a separate moral question.

If a woman is going to have an abortion and the child's life were forlorn either way, would I rather that the woman risk her life or not? Why is the fault not placed on her rather than a law allowing her the choice to kill her baby? Because turning a blind eye while a woman throws herself down a flight of stairs doesn't seem loving to me. I may not approve of her decisions, but that doesn't mean I want to see her hurt in the process or possibly dying.

My great-grandfather tried to get my grandmother to have an abortion (quite against her will, I might add) when she became pregnant. If he had succeeded, I wouldn't be here--but one thing I'll tell you: my great-grandfather wasn't an evil man. What he tried to do was out of a kind of desperation to save my grandmother's future and her reputation, both of which ended up foundering.

Why is it not on her? Why should I not care that she's risking her life? I can't come up with a good reason other than my own moral compass: These women aren't evil, they aren't acting out of some sense of depravity. Most women having abortions are woman who are confused, frightened and are trying to wing it in life like the rest of us. I can't look at a woman who's had an abortion and think to myself that it would have been better if abortion were illegal and she had risked her life to have one and had died.

It just strikes me as morally bankrupt or coldhearted not to care about the plight of the mother. Maybe she is doing something wrong, that doesn't mean that I want her to die or that I want her to be publicly shamed and humiliated because it's not nice to do those things to a person.

Whether it's legal or illegal, woman are going to have abortions, so if your aim is to stop abortions, more than making the law illegal would have to be done, right?

Let's say that the law were overturned and abortion were made completely illegal--let's say that battle were won and women are still having abortions (as they would); what else would need to be done? This is a sincere question, because more would have to be done after making it illegal.

 

[stacymay]

I think the argument most people go with is, if a first-trimester fetus is life, then is an egg life? Is a sperm life as well? Where does it end? Personally I'm pro-life, but it's tough to argue against a pro-choice person, especially with the population and economy the way it is today. Coming from a religious standpoint, I hate abortion. Coming from a social standpoint, I'm torn.

Anyway, we can't stop people from having premarital sex, nor can we stop sadistic freaks from raping women. What we can do is advocate for birth control. Even if we don't believe premarital sex is good, the next best thing is to protect people from having terrible consequences to their mistake such as an unplanned pregnancy they can't support or an STI.

 

[Tnmusicman]

I just don't get why conservatives are so strung up about saving babies, but once the baby is born it could die in the streets for all they care.

What a most asinine blanket statement! Where do you draw the conclusion conservatives are the evil creatures responsible for the peril of countless newborns??!!?!

 

[Tnmusicman]

I've always hAd a hard time with abortion issues. I personally don't agree with it but at the same time I can't justify a child being born from incest or if there is some type of health risk to the mother. It would be a positive,IMO,if there was some way to limit abortion to acts of violence,incest or health risk but I don't agree with abortion as a means of birth control or the solution to an"accident".

 

[VolRaider]

An unborn fetus is not a person.

And even if it were, it is no more entitled to be an unwanted parasite on the mother's body than a born child is entitled to literally eat the flesh off of his mother's bones.

Wow. Unwanted parasite. You might wanna remove that cross icon near your name and replace it with a North Korean flag.

 

[SaraJarvis]

Wow. Unwanted parasite. You might wanna remove that cross icon near your name and replace it with a North Korean flag.

Hardly. I believe that it's an unwanted parasite, too. Shouldn't be there, she hates it, it's feeding off her. Parasite.

 

[SharonL]

I think abortion is wrong, period. Under no circumstance should a baby be aborted, depriving that baby of life. You're not even giving it a chance. I don't care if it's rape, incest, ect. Abortion is taking a life, and it is wrong. You wouldn't like to be aborted...

And ESPECIALLY if the woman decided to have sex... You chose to have premarital sex, and mistakes happen... Now, own up to it.

This is right - I have a web page of inspirational poems and stories for the hurting heart - a lady wrote me that she had been raped and was considering abortion - said she sat and cried for hours at one of the poems the Lord had give me for abortion - she decided not to have the abortion - she wrote me 3 years later saying that her 3 year daughter was on stage singing 'Jesus Loves Me'. Every baby should have the opportunity to live, every baby is precious.

 

[sniperelite7]

Theres something million(?) babies in Africa who will be born to live a short miserable life. Precious?

Going to be snarky here, but...lets look at this from an eternal stand point. How many babies will grow up to be saved? Thats right. Abortion prevents souls from coming into this world and damning themselves to the Lord's "mercy". If anything, its the best darn thing next to baptism at keeping people out of hell.

 

[TomZzyzx]

Theres something million(?) babies in Africa who will be born to live a short miserable life. Precious?

Going to be snarky here, but...lets look at this from an eternal stand point. How many babies will grow up to be saved? Thats right. Abortion prevents souls from coming into this world and damning themselves to the Lord's "mercy". If anything, its the best darn thing next to baptism at keeping people out of hell.

Since the bible doesn't teach that an aborted baby goes to heaven then how many abortions are keeping people out of heaven?

 

[sniperelite7]

So God chucks babies into hell?

 

[snowpumpkin]

Under no circumstances? What about ectopic pregnancy? What if incest means the baby will be genetically deformed?

You also ignore that the baby has a 90% chance of being born into poverty and starvation, and by Conservative theology, an overwhelmingly high chance of spending eternity in Hell.

If I actually believed in conservative theology, I'd consider abortion the lesser of the evils.

I was just going to mention this. My sister-in-law just had an ectopic pregnancy and basically had to receive chemo medicine to abort the pregnancy. This was an actual pregnancy that was 100% doomed and could cause a life threatening situation for the mother, not to mention damage to her organs.

I am pro-life but not anti-reality. Sometimes, as in an ectopic pregnancy, there is literally only one option.

 

[SharonL]

I once wondered about the soul of babies who are not allowed to reach birth. Here is what the Lord put upon my heart. Not my words - The Lord woke me up at 3:00 in the morning to get this on paper - it has ministered to thousands.

GOD NEVER LOSES EVEN ONE
Oh little One
within the womb.
Our Heavenly Father did not send you
to earth to meet your doom.

Your pathway has been
carefully planned and designed.
Whether you walk it out
on the earth or spend it with Jesus
all will be fine.

The Word tells us Jesus knew
you before you were born.
He tells us your days have been
recorded in the Book of LIfe
where pages are never torn.

Some of you have been discarded
and called just "tissue."
Don't worry little one,
with God that is not an issue.

Our Father's plans for you
will not go astray.
How precious your life is
we will still convey.

If you are allowed to complete
your journey here on the earth,
either way my child,
your existence is recorded as a birth.

If you have not been allowed
to minister to those our Father
designed for you here,
your place with Jesus
has already been marked for you
so have no fear.

Jesus tells us the angels will teach
you the oracles of God and His ways.
He will prepare you and you will
still recognize and welcome that
mother and father in only a few days.

Forgiveness is waiting
for those whose heart is heavy
for the deeds they have done
for you see sweet child -
"God never looses even a one."
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[SuziTiri]

Abortion is an interesting subject. I would say i am a Pro-lifer Lesbian! Because if the right get the idea to abort fetuses who are different or LGBT (if there is ever a genetic test in the future)...who know what scary stuff would happen.

 

[SuziTiri]

I was just going to mention this. My sister-in-law just had an ectopic pregnancy and basically had to receive chemo medicine to abort the pregnancy. This was an actual pregnancy that was 100% doomed and could cause a life threatening situation for the mother, not to mention damage to her organs.

I am pro-life but not anti-reality. Sometimes, as in an ectopic pregnancy, there is literally only one option.

I can understand this!! at least this comes from a compassionate medical view.

 

[mathetes123]

Abortion is an interesting subject. I would say i am a Pro-lifer Lesbian! Because if the right get the idea to abort fetuses who are different or LGBT (if there is ever a genetic test in the future)...who know what scary stuff would happen.

You mean as opposed to the left aborting babies as a matter of convenience?

 

[SuziTiri]

You mean as opposed to the left aborting babies as a matter of convenience?

in addition to...

 

[TomZzyzx]

Abortion is an interesting subject. I would say i am a Pro-lifer Lesbian! Because if the right get the idea to abort fetuses who are different or LGBT (if there is ever a genetic test in the future)...who know what scary stuff would happen.

The scary stuff is already happening. The left is aborting babies now, for any reason.

 

[mathetes123]

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Any Christian knows that as long as it's in the womb, it's a parasite, not a person; it's a choice, not a child. The anti-abortion position is anti-Christian, depraved, corrupt, perverse, immoral, and quite frankly the real anti-life position.

isaiah5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,