What Hit the Pentagon? A UFO!

[mwb]

I just checked out the site. I think I need a shower.

I can't even figure out their hypothesis. It's remarkable they are questioning all four planes. It doesn't seem like they are disputing planes hit (I don't think). I'm not sure how even though the flight paths don't seem reasonable to these people, they still doubt whether planes hit. Yet they don't explain where the planes went. I honestly don't know what point they are trying to make.

 

[mwb]

Here's insights on other topics by John Lear member of Pilotsfor9/11Truth:

Sunday 21st March 2004
John Lear
Here are the comments from John Lear. He was talking with Art Bell.

Mankind is an alien controlled experiment. All religions were created by the aliens to give us a set of rules and regulations to live by so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves.


The secret government knows about this experiment but is hiding it from us.


This experiment has something to do with the soul. The aliens refer to us as containers. There is a cube on the Moon with an antenna. The antenna sends and receives souls.


If someone dies an unscheduled death the antenna doesn't pick up their soul and the resulting energy remains on Earth as a ghost.


When there is a major disaster like 911 the aliens send down giant soul collectors to recover the souls.


Increase in homosexuality is caused by the cube placing male souls in female bodies and vice versa. This is either by design or there is a fault with the cube.


Mariners are called 'lost souls' because if you die underwater the aliens can't retrieve the soul through water of any depth.


There are 38 levels above top secret. The top level is Majestic 12. The US President does not hold the highest level of secrecy.


Our Moon was towed here and placed in orbit around the Earth by a very large machine. There was a time in the recorded history of man when the Earth had no Moon, and also a time when the Earth had two Moons.


The Moon has an atmosphere which contains clouds.


The Moon does not revolve which proves it is artificial.


The US will not go back to the Moon. Any other country trying to get to the Moon will fail.


US astronauts went to the Moon, saw all the alien machinery and structures and were told to keep silent about it by NASA.


Some of the film footage of the Apollo Moon landings were faked.


John Lear disagrees with Richard C. Hoagland's idea that some secret group is tampering with signals to the Mars rovers. He says it is NASA itself that is doing the tampering.


NASA knows that Venus is a normal planet just like Earth. Venus has beings that are similar to us.


We already have bases on the Moon and Mars but for anyone to go there it is a one way trip because they can't risk anyone coming back and revealing this information.


NASA knows there are spaceships in the rings of Saturn.


If mankind gets too close to discovering the experiment it will be cancelled and started all over again. A sort of cleansing that happens on Earth every 25,000 years.


There are two forms of gravity. Gravity A works on an atomic scale. Gravity B is the type that holds us on the Earth and holds the Earth in orbit around the Sun.


Gravity is instantaneous. We use a gravity phone to talk to the grey aliens who live 1,000 light years away.


Over 1,500 alien abductions occur each day in the US.


The Yellow Book is a government record of all alien crash retrievals.

 

[mwb]

The link to the previous post.

John Lear

 

[k]

I just checked out the site. I think I need a shower.

I can't even figure out their hypothesis. It's remarkable they are questioning all four planes. It doesn't seem like they are disputing planes hit (I don't think). I'm not sure how even though the flight paths don't seem reasonable to these people, they still doubt whether planes hit. Yet they don't explain where the planes went. I honestly don't know what point they are trying to make.

They are questioning the CR overall.

I'm sorry, they are just a bunch of expert pilots with more time in the cockpit than anyone here. I am truly sorry I could not find a more credible source.

 

[mwb]

More John Lear. This link shows that the John Lear "manifesto" above is the same John Lear that's part of the PilotsFor9/11Truth. This is serious stuff so try not to laugh.

World Mysteries - UFO SECRETS OF JOHN LEAR, by Doug Yurchey

 

[mwb]

They are questioning the CR overall.

I'm sorry, they are just a bunch of expert pilots with more time in the cockpit than anyone here. I am truly sorry I could not find a more credible source.

I'm not expert on flying so I thought I'd check out some of the pilots to see some of their other credentials. I know it's not discussing the 9/11 theory but it gives us some insight on the people making the claims.

 

[k]

http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm

link to transcript of his interview with art bell.....

In any case...this is nothing more than a poor taste ad hom without addressing a SINGLE fact or argument laid out on the website.

Wealthy people are often eccentric in many ways...does that make them any less intelligent?

 

[mwb]

My objective was not to discredit the sources. I'm shocked that this guy is so far out there.

I think he's a little past being eccentric.

 

[k]

I'm not expert on flying so I thought I'd check out some of the pilots to see some of their other credentials. I know it's not discussing the 9/11 theory but it gives us some insight on the people making the claims.

Looks more like a masked ad hom...cause I didn't see you post ANYTHING about his flying credentials....surely the son of the Lear Jet founder may have a thing or two to share about flying.

 

[k]

Well, the pilotsfortruth members include many Veterans, Marines, Airforce, etc. Can't wait to see how we can pick on them.....

Now, back to the OP and 77....

 

[k]

I'm not expert on flying so I thought I'd check out some of the pilots to see some of their other credentials. I know it's not discussing the 9/11 theory but it gives us some insight on the people making the claims.

My objective was not to discredit the sources. I'm shocked that this guy is so far out there.

I think he's a little past being eccentric.

Really? Mmm...is that why the first thing you linked to was some eccentric stuff about Lear and NOTHING about all the damn facts those pilots have to say?

Gooooooodnite irene!!!!

 

[mwb]

I'm sure he's a brilliant aviator. But his thoughts are surely way out there. There's no reason to believe that his bizarre ideas aren't injected into the 9/11 debate.

 

[David Gould]

Do you agree that someone who makes wild claims is less credible than someone who does not?

You can address the claims. But you are using this guy as someone whose claims we should respect because he is a pilot. That is where it becomes relevant. If you are putting this guy forward as an expert, when it is clear that he is a lunatic, you are the one with the problem.

 

[David Gould]

And I broke my rule, but I could not help myself.

 

[mwb]

And I broke my rule, but I could not help myself.

I was hoping you'd show up. I know you've been trying to be patient so I thought you could use a laugh.

 

[k]

Do you agree that someone who makes wild claims is less credible than someone who does not?

You can address the claims. But you are using this guy as someone whose claims we should respect because he is a pilot. That is where it becomes relevant. If you are putting this guy forward as an expert, when it is clear that he is a lunatic, you are the one with the problem.

I'm sorry, could anyone show where Lear interjects his extraterrestial theories into offering expert flight analysis of 77? See, I know noone can because the pilotsfortruth site has NOT been read.

Is it also noticed how many OTHER expert pilots there are?

It's clear he's a lunatic to whom? Humility is a good aveune to pursue.

 

[k]

I'm sure he's a brilliant aviator. But his thoughts are surely way out there. There's no reason to believe that his bizarre ideas aren't injected into the 9/11 debate.

Okay, so show us where he's done this from the pilotsfortruth site?

 

[k]

Either address the info on the pilotsfortruth site, links in the OP, or the mineta deal but c'mon, this is getting ridiculous very fast.

 

[mwb]

In all fairness, I looked up Russ Wittenberg. The only sites listed were 9/11 conspiracy sites which all are about the same & we've seen them on this thread & sites that disagree with his 9/11 opinions. There's no other writings that give us an indication of his knowledge about non-9/11 issues.

 

[mwb]

I just wonder why Russ would align himself with someone like John Lear. It doesn't bode well for him.