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Delivered from holiness? Really? Hey keep trying though. Who knows you may bring some of us wicked Christians into the SDA confession yet.
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Delivered from holiness? Really? Hey keep trying though. Who knows you may bring some of us wicked Christians into the SDA confession yet.No! Why should I be deliver from Holiness? Is that not what I am suppose to be by the grace of God?
unfortunately for you the Bible testifies against you.The Chair is not broken. It is the table that the chair was at that is broken. It a new table in the corner.
Do you attend the synagogue with the Jews?God have no need for the water or the wind part, except for keeping the hurricanes from these shores. But He has done the demon rebuke part for me a few years ago. If needed the water walking will happen.
If you're following the leading of the Holy Spirit you don't need a rules list.:o
What is this? Telling that I should not steal makes me want to steal? Telling to worship God only makes we want to worship idols?
Anything works in order to down play and negates God Hold law.
I go by the scripture which equates there is only one way and that is Jesus.Would literally be Jews and militant atheists.
But you probably defend Jews, hate Muslims, and morally live by atheists.
Very, very ironic. You may even qualify for the antichrist
Not really.... unless ALL those people who go to a synagog are keeping the Sabbath by the act of doing so.When I was younger I went every Saturday with my dad to synagogue... to hear the Torah read... The rest of Jewish community that could, did so.
It was later on that I became a Christian. I think you make snap judgements a bit too much.
No.... Jesus wasn't an outright example for us to BE, his life has way too many things in it we cannot even attempt to do. Paul NEVER said to follow Jesus by example instead he said follow ME as an example of being a Christian as I follow Christ. There has been thread after thread of examples of what Jesus did that you IGNORE and do not DO yourself but instead you PICK AND CHOOSE which examples of Jesus you want to do and REFUSE to do ALL that he did by example.Jesus was sent to the world and for the world. He was our example and set the example for us, including the Sabbath. Jesus did not do things simply because He was a Jew our was living with them.
If you tell a child that isn't thinking about sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar against his parents wishes to NOT take a cookie from the jar is the child suddenly going to forget you was talking about cookies and not be now tempted to get one?:o
What is this? Telling that I should not steal makes me want to steal? Telling to worship God only makes we want to worship idols?
Anything works in order to down play and negates God Hold law.
Wonderful! Are you carnal as the inspired author proclaims he is in the present tense? Doesn't this personal contrast to the Holiness of the Law explain why we have been delivered from it, as verse 6 in the immediate context announces?
Yes.
Ellen's 'sabbath test' is a myth.
No! Why should I be deliver from Holiness? Is that not what I am suppose to be by the grace of God?
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LordI am glad you qouted this. Then look and seen that the same law will be written on the heart not removed. Why would God place something in our hearts that He does not want the Holy Spirit to teach us or for us to keep?
Adventism demands leaving out the qualification that excludes the Mosaic covenant from God's "My law" He has placed into our hearts. It also leaves out the conclusion the inspired author of Hebrews 8:13 makes when he wrote In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Moving a broken covenant to another location doesn't make it 'new', any more than moving a broken chair from one corner to another effects repairs on the broken chair. The old chair is obsolete, ready to be disposed of.
The Chair is not broken. It is the table that the chair was at that is broken. It a new table in the corner.
If you tell a child that isn't thinking about sneaking a cookie from the cookie jar against his parents wishes to NOT take a cookie from the jar is the child suddenly going to forget you was talking about cookies and not be now tempted to get one?
And at times the child would do it just to see if it would be caught, not doing it as much for the cookie itself but to get attention.The child is going to be consumed with singular mission to obtain that cookie, which will not be satisfied until he/she is caught with cookie crumbs all over his/her face, floor, counter, busted jar knocked off the shelf, etc.
That is the fallen human condition. The example you introduced works just fine
And at times the child would do it just to see if it would be caught, not doing it as much for the cookie itself but to get attention.
Some people like to do wrong to see if they can get away with it, if you tell them something is wrong they want to do it but if you tell them something is ok then they are not interested.
You could take the same kid and tell him he can have a cookie but not any cake and will the kid want a cookie or cake?
Exactly..... and the cookies would go stale in the jar all he would be having fits over would be cake.... nothing but cake on his mind.Oh, come now! Confronted with an either/or situation you just posed, the typical 3-year-old will be reduced to a temper tantrum screaming on the floor! He/she will remain that way until you smother the screaming temper tantrum by plugging it full of cake
I think those promoting the Law would disagree with you that Grace is against sin, instead they would contend that Grace ALLOWS free sinning and thus the Law is superior to Grace and trumps it.Not a 'grace' adherent in this thread has came forth to allow sin under grace.
The most obvious conclusion? Grace is against sin.
The law is against sin.
The most obvious conclusion?
Both Law and Grace are against sin.
So what's to argue about?
Nothing. It's a pointless argument when viewed as both being against sin.
The Law and Grace are Perfect Accord in this direction.
Does that mean the Law is against us? Absolutely in regards to sin.
Does that mean Grace is against us? Absolutely in regards to SIN.
There isn't any getting around God being against sin on any basis of understanding.
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Not a 'grace' adherent in this thread has came forth to allow sin under grace.
The most obvious conclusion? Grace is against sin.
The law is against sin.
The most obvious conclusion?
Both Law and Grace are against sin.
So what's to argue about?
Nothing. It's a pointless argument when viewed as both being against sin.
The Law and Grace are Perfect Accord in this direction.
Does that mean the Law is against us? Absolutely in regards to sin.
Does that mean Grace is against us? Absolutely in regards to SIN.
There isn't any getting around God being against sin on any basis of understanding.
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I think those promoting the Law would disagree with you that Grace is against sin, instead they would contend that Grace ALLOWS free sinning
It's theologically impractical and improbable to pit the Word of God against the Word of God. People who employ that method are not only not credible, their constructs they use to arrive at that conclusion are usually ridiculous.and thus the Law is superior to Grace and trumps it.
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