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How can the Ten Commandments still be in effect but you deny the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments? How does that work?
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How can the Ten Commandments still be in effect but you deny the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments? How does that work?The last time I checked, God confronted Moses full on with the Commandments. He was so Holy, he came down the mountain blinded, with his face burnt.
(if anything, imagine the trip back)
Seems legitimate enough for me- the Ten Commandments are still in effect
God went out His way to expound on these points of Godliness. They are even literally set in stone.
According to the theology of "Squint." Yes.My non Christian neighbor doesn't steal either. Does that make him a legalist and Christian possessing salvation? Is he even being obedient to the law (Ten Commandments)?
According to the theology of "Squint." Yes.
How can the Ten Commandments still be in effect but you deny the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments? How does that work?
Sorry I don't use Squint theology. My statement/question was based entirely off what you said. So man up and admit its your theology and idea.According to the theology of "Squint." Yes.
Is your position that because we may live perfectly by the Ten Commandments from now on we will still be sinner so it make no sense obeying God in that respect?I'm not so apt to paint myself up under the law or grace.
Better to be honest before God. A somewhat rare characteristic in christianity.
And if you managed to notice the Law stands, period.
It changed the fact that we are sinner not one iota by following it.
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Then the answer is NO.Sorry I don't use Squint theology. My statement/question was based entirely off what you said. So man up and admit its your theology and idea.
Is your position that because we may live perfectly by the Ten Commandments from now on we will still be sinner so it make no sense obeying God in that respect?
The Bible says you both you don't and can't.Is your position that because we may live perfectly by the Ten Commandments from now on we will still be sinner so it make no sense obeying God in that respect?
Talk about a warped question..... that isn't his position at all. We can't live perfectly by the 10 commandments otherwise Jesus would not have to have to come to keep them on the behalf of the Jews. We are ALL sinners both those who are under the Law and those who are not so the 10 commandments has done NOTHING in that regard to separate sinners from non sinners using it as a way to determine who is and is not righteous in that regards is utterly WORTHLESS. This is why Christians are not obligated to a worthless system of determining righteous as it only had one person who passed through the system who made it and he was righteous prior to starting into it so for him it was an unneeded task on his OWN behalf... he did it for US... not himself.Is your position that because we may live perfectly by the Ten Commandments from now on we will still be sinner so it make no sense obeying God in that respect?
Talk about a warped question..... that isn't his position at all. We can't live perfectly by the 10 commandments otherwise Jesus would not have to have to come to keep them on the behalf of the Jews. We are ALL sinners both those who are under the Law and those who are not so the 10 commandments has done NOTHING in that regard to separate sinners from non sinners using it as a way to determine who is and is not righteous in that regards is utterly WORTHLESS. This is why Christians are not obligated to a worthless system of determining righteous as it only had one person who passed through the system who made it and he was righteous prior to starting into it so for him it was an unneeded task on his OWN behalf... he did it for US... not himself.
Christians should not use the 10 commandments as a standard it is obsolete and irrelevant as far as using it to determine righteousness or not as we have a way now that we can do so in Christ by faith. Jesus works (keeping the commandments) shows us he alone is righteous and the source of such.... NOT the 10 commandments.
I think that part of the process of salvation is admitting that one is sinful. One can consider that via the Law or otherwise as people in the Bible knew they sinned prior to the inception of the Law itself and there are people who without knowledge of the Law accept Jesus on the basis they are convicted of being a sinner via the Holy Spirit.Your claim is generally on target.
But I think all of you on the grace alone side of the ledgers should also acknowledge the fact that those who murder, steal, lie, commit adultery, or anything that Paul lists in Galatians 5 as forbidden for believers are not only facts, but the 'believers?' who do them are in fact slaves of sin who are revealed as being so by Law, Grace and good old fashioned common sense.
Doesn't avoid the fact that we remain sinners also. External sins are a worse OUTcome of sin. It culminates the external proof of slavery and shows the blinded for what they are.
To say believers are scot free to do anything is just as much the lie as those who claim to be legally obedient.
The best any claimer can muster is that we keep things in check within, and try not to let it spill out to the detriment of ourselves, others and society.
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Yeah, well, don't follow them, and you'll be in for a mighty surprise come judgement.
That goes for all you osas believers.
I think that part of the process of salvation is admitting that one is sinful. One can consider that via the Law or otherwise as people in the Bible knew they sinned prior to the inception of the Law itself and there are people who without knowledge of the Law accept Jesus on the basis they are convicted of being a sinner via the Holy Spirit.
If one truly believes they are saved they will be sensitive to sin and attempt to try their best to reduce and even eliminate it from their lives. Those who are saved do not have to rely upon the Law to equate sin but focus on how they are treating others either in love to them with God in mind or selfishness for essentially worshiping their own desires (sins).
In other words Christians don't have to use the Law as a standard at all, it can be useful but falls way short of what Jesus teaches us. Those who use the Law only to combat sin are limiting their walk with God they may never go beyond what the Law doesn't inspire in those who adhere to it... Faith.
How can the Ten Commandments still be in effect but you deny the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments? How does that work?
My non Christian neighbor doesn't steal either. Does that make him a legalist and Christian possessing salvation? Is he even being obedient to the law (Ten Commandments)?
The Law is not spiritual to those who are not in the spirit it can be nothing but a carnal thing... do this do that mindlessly keeping commandments with no thought about love or faith involved in it all.Believers understanding of the Law does vary. Rightfully so.
The Law is Spiritual. Those who say it is only about pigs and shrimp and a church building know little if anything about the LAW. They are merely basking in their own limited sights and constructs of same.
The LAW does move to bring SATAN into action.
For those who adhere to the Law and use it as their standard Satan loves to condemn them via the use of it. For those who refuse to be put under the Law Satan has to condemn them directly via each sin and the Holy Spirit convicts them also of such until one decides to resolve the matter and confess such sins and seeking forgiveness of those sins have faith in that forgiveness then ignore Satan about such sins from then on.This is the intent of LAW and in case you hadn't noticed. Look around you.
...the Law's intent to make sin utterly sinful will not and can not be altered.
That BEAST will rise out of the sea of humanity on time, on schedule and within budget, prior to it's final eradication in judgments.
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No... the Sabbath wasn't ever about a day of worship. There is nothing in the Bible that says one is to worship on the Sabbath at all. I believe the Sabbath was made for two reasons:The Ten Commandments were given to all in the Land. The unbelievers included. The reason God had the Sabbath Day included was because that nation was a theocracy. It was to produce order on the day of worship for the benefit of those who did believe. Not all who lived in the Land were believers. No one was to steal. No one was to murder. No one was to commit adultery. Those commands have nothing to do with spiritual worship. It was for all.
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