Well as BC Israel ceased to exist after the Sacrifice I'm not understanding your question. It became AD Israel.Why then did Jesus tell us to keep something else?
That is very innovative. You seem to be saying that all three members of the Trinity gave the law. Why is everything Moses said in the singular sense if he talked to all three. Yes I am aware of Deut 6:4.The Holy Spirit is part of The Trinity. It is God that gave the Ten commandments, yet part of the God head would not lead us to the Ten Comandments?
The first Commandment says that we should worship God only but The Holy Spirit will never direct us to that? It would be forsaking grace and faith to worship God and God alone? We will be making the worship of God our means of salvation instead of Jesus!
Cribstyl wrote:
Galatians 5In the Garden, Adam could do anything, but not suffer the consequences. There was no pain, sickness or death. Wonderful, one might say, but that is like saying a bicycle with training wheels is wonderful. You can't fall! We know that it is not true, its not wonderful. For one thing, you can't lean into corners. You can't go in between narrow objects, go through hard to access places. This means you can't go fast. And you can't go certain places. A similar limiting situation existed in the Garden.Any scriptures to back that up? Words you're speaking are either truth or not true.
Why?Cribstyl wrote:List other people besides Adam and Eve that was in the Garden please?Originally Posted by Wordkeeper
IOW, in the Garden Adam couldn't reach his full potential. He couldn't exercise his freedom to chose to do good deeds, although he had the ability. He couldn't be fair, not take another person's goods although he was stronger. He couldn't forgive those who stole from his plentiful property. He couldn't sacrifice what was necessary for his own good situation to give to a needy person. Justice, mercy and love. All the stuff that having the image of God enabled him to exercise. All the stuff God Himself exercises.
Cribstyl wrote:
If Cain and Abel were born in the garden press A? Out of the garden press B. If your answer is; "I dont know", press G because your whole post is gabbage.So God placed a tree in the Garden which gave attractive fruit ,and told Adam not to eat the fruit. What happens? Adam eats the fruit! Resulting in him leaving the Garden and entering into the world where the framework for exercising these qualities exists.
Now Man can manifest the qualities that an image of God entails.
That answer is not a new tactic. But the truth is still seen.I dunno, ask Him.
Without Deut. 6:4 the word translated God is elohiym which is plural. Jesus said He and His Father are one. John14:That is very innovative. You seem to be saying that all three members of the Trinity gave the law. Why is everything Moses said in the singular sense if he talked to all three. Yes I am aware of Deut 6:4.
Bugkiller
OrthodoxyUSA,
What was that Law of liberty again? I'm a little slow. Could you please repeat it as I see I have others about me who are even slower.
James 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Matthew 25:31-46 (Christ speaking)
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Think I'll just keep posting this over and over and over and over again. Hey... maybe assign it to a hot key!
The Christian Law, aka The law of Liberty.
1. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."
2. "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
God be gracious to me a sinner.
Thank you and be aware I have short term memory loss and may need to be reminded again.It's a common affliction around these parts.
Perhaps you should . What was that again?
James 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Matthew 25:31-46 (Christ speaking)
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It is evident that Elder111 didn't read my post faithfully...Adding to Jesus disallows His redemption. This is done by reverting to the entity He redeemed us from, and leaving God's redemption. Your understanding needs to conform to what Scripture actually says, rather than asking rhetorical questions reliant on a false premise (Jesus didn't give the Gentiles living in Barbados the Ten Commandments).
No.The Ten commandments that Jesus gave is adding to His redemption?
Adding the Law to Jesus is denying His redemption. It is turning away from your new master to revert to becoming the property of another that Jesus bought you from with His Blood.
By openly declaring that Christ's atonement isn't sufficient to reconcile you to a Holy God. You have to add your work to His, as if you don't trust Him.Adding how?
Exactly.So redemption is our's without us serving God alone, having an idol or two?
Stop trying to excuse your idolatry before God's presence, "knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot".
God didn't give you the Ten Commandments.He redeem us from a Holy Just and Good law that He himself gave?
Please tell me you haven't deified the Law and worship the created thing over the Creator!God redeemed us from Himself?
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to anotherto Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.We are saved from the law?
Reversing the relationship the Children of Israel had with the Law they alone had (not the Gentiles in Barbados) is reading your theology into Scripture, and not drawing your theology from Scripture. Romans 7:6 and Galatians 3:23 have been pointed out to you scores of times, and you still want to contradict God's Word and make up a carnal list of 'do' and 'don't' from God's Holy covenant you never received.Jesus never wanted the Gentles in Barbados not to steal?
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No, God doesn't want you to steal. But the Law didn't stop you from stealing, and God already declared all the recipients of the Law disobedient. That doesn't even include you.
Your question based on reversing the factual relationship of the Law keeping a certain people until the fulness of time is bogus. Your question should have been "does God want to condemn all the people of Barbados eternally for theft?". This is what you're arguing for. Did you think it in vain that Scripture tells us "sin is not imputed when there is no law"?
This is no longer an academic question. Do you think God should condemn you eternally for your idolatry?Not to put away any idols they may have?
You had plenty of opportunity to fix the error mentioned earlier in your post, whereby you deified the Law and you're committed to serving two masters. I have to accept what you wrote as representative of your true intentions.Not to worship God alone?
It was not in vain that our Lord said "No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other".
My question posted to you earlier is no longer rhetorical. It deserves an honest answer.
Every single being on this plant will be judge by the Ten Commandment standards. Love to God and love to all men.Elder111, do you need me to re-post my question for you?
Every single being on this plant will be judge by the Ten Commandment standards. Love to God and love to all men.
Matthew 25:31-46 (Christ speaking)
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Every single being on this plant will be judge by the Ten Commandment standards. Love to God and love to all men.
What question is that?It doesn't take long before that anti-Christian soteriology of yours boils over the top!
A pity you believe something that isn't true, and postulate a judgment that you obviously can't survive. But, your post doesn't answer what I wrote - do you need me to re-post my question?
What question is that?
You're allowed as many guesses as you need.Every single being on this plant will be judge by the Ten Commandment standards. Love to God and love to all men.
REV. 22:Do we see Christ asking (or commenting) about our obedience to the Ten Commandments at Final Judgement?
Ooops... nothing in the final judgement except the law of liberty.
God be gracious to me a sinner.
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