What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[Sophrosyne]

They treat the Law as if it were boogers.

ewwwwwwwww

 

[GenemZ]

You're one of the few I've met here who has probably noticed that Mary had to wait until after the sabbath to procure embalming spices, prepared them, and then rested again on the sabbath. The chronology the Gospel accounts give us shows a sabbath on Thursday and another one on Saturday, with one day between to go buy spices.

My pastor taught us on a seminary level. Average folk were gaining more understanding than most pastors have today.

 

[from scratch]

Good point! One of the most commonly held misconceptions concerning what is referred to as Good Friday persists because many churches do not understand what a High Sabbath is. The High Sabbath falls according to the Passover timing and not determined by it being a Saturday, as the regular Sabbath day.

Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. Because, the High Sabbath that year fell on a Thursday. The "Preparation Day" was for the High Sabbath, not the regular Sabbath. That is why many today have a hard time reconciling three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. They keep assuming the Sabbath fell on a Saturday and that Jesus was crucified on Friday. It ends up getting messy as they scramble to explain it.

Interesting explanation. Did Jesus rise from the dead after the Saturday Sabbath (Sunday - first day)? He was buried prior to the start of the Sabbath what ever day it was. So would that exceed 72 hours? I could easily live with less because of the way they reckoned time.

 

[from scratch]

I often wonder if someone from their group sneaks into their houses and rips that part of the Bible out and sneaks out as often as it is ignored entirely like it was put on a boat on a river in Egypt...

From what I read here in GT they don't read it. But they do use it as a source of quotes and partial quotes while ignoring other passages to back their false doctrine. They thus have some truth actual Scripture mixed with false information to appear to be true. Thus it is a lie. Many don't see this mostly because they haven't read the Bible either. Its one of my major complaints against organized religion. The problem is if people read their Bible the controlling person would lose their control among other things. The sort of it is fear. They must protect the system at al costs. I didn't say there weren't good ones even though they protect the system for the benefit of the closed fellowship of the professionals.

There are just to many problems and I couldn't handle the manipulation anymore. I can't ask and expect answers without problems. It started when I read my Bible.

 

[from scratch]

They get.. "Sinai headaches."

They get very stuffy when you challenge them with that one.

I'm glad I've got arms on my chair.

 

[from scratch]

How then do you explain the fragmentation in deliverance and treatment?
500 years before Sinai God gave circumcision, then passover, day of atonement etc. Did He keep forgetting parts of this one unit? Clean and unclean means He gave and He says oh I forgot there another part. Give me some stone there let me put them on it maybe if I write it I will remember everything this time. But he still forgot parts and then told them to remember the law of the priesthood and sacrifices. One unit but God could not remember all at once. Most of all he forgot that he did not really need them any way cause he was going to die on the cross.

All Israelites are descendants of Abraham and are obligated to circumcision. As such it is also a part of the law. The covenant with Israel isn't the same covenant given to Abraham. Yes one can say the covenant with Abraham got swallowed up into or included with the covenant made at Sinai. This however isn't true with the new covenant promised by God through Jeremiah. That covenant is different as in non existent prior to inception.

 

[GenemZ]

Interesting explanation. Did Jesus rise from the dead after the Saturday Sabbath (Sunday - first day)? He was buried prior to the start of the Sabbath what ever day it was. So would that exceed 72 hours? I could easily live with less because of the way they reckoned time.

Jewish days ended at sunset, and the new day began at the same sunset.

So, if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday? His soul entered the belly of the earth right after he gave up his spirit. That was still Wednesday. Day one.

He was already placed in the Tomb, just before the beginning of Thursday at that sunset. Night one.

And, then remained in the earth Thursday during daylight. Day two.

At sunset of Thursday began Friday. Night two.

Friday daytime came. Day three.

At Friday at sunset began the Saturday Sabbath. Night three.



Sometime before sunrise of the Saturday Sabbath Jesus rose from the grave.

That made three days and three nights as he promised.

Mary went to the tomb on the first day of the week (our Sunday). Jesus had been already risen.

Matthew 28:1

After the (regular) Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week,
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.



​

That Sabbath ended at Sunset Saturday. Sunday then began.


The first right after his crucifixion was the beginning of a Special Sabbath for the Passover. Then, one day off was Friday. Then the next Sabbath was the regular Saturday Sabbath.

Believers who have not been shown about the Special Sabbaths tend to get all tangled up in trying to explain how what we read can be truth.

John 19:31
​

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special
Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the
crosses during the (that) Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs
broken and the bodies taken down.



​

Now is it easy?

 

[GenemZ]

From what I read here in GT they don't read it. But they do use it as a source of quotes and partial quotes while ignoring other passages to back their false doctrine.

The problem they have is they think everyone else is just like them in our own way. They think we do the same type of things as they do with Scripture. They are under the assumption that everyone lacks integrity. They do not know what it really is.

 

[Elder 111]

Good point! One of the most commonly held misconceptions concerning what is referred to as Good Friday persists because many churches do not understand what a High Sabbath is. The High Sabbath falls according to the Passover timing and not determined by it being a Saturday, as the regular Sabbath day. This is not true.

Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. Because, the High Sabbath that year fell on a Thursday. The "Preparation Day" was for the High Sabbath, not the regular Sabbath. That is why many today have a hard time reconciling three days and three nights in the belly of the earth. They keep assuming the Sabbath fell on a Saturday and that Jesus was crucified on Friday. It ends up getting messy as they scramble to explain it.

This is not true.
John 19: 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
It was a Sabbath day that was also a high day. The festival days were by date and so they fell on any day. So all the text is saying is that on that particular Sabbath it was also a festival day. How do you explain that the next day was the first day of the week?
John 19:
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Mathew 28:
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[GenemZ]

This is not true.
John 19: 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
It was a Sabbath day that was also a high day. The festival days were by date and so they fell on any day. So all the text is saying is that on that particular Sabbath it was also a festival day. How do you explain that the next day was the first day of the week?
John 19:
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Mathew 28:
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

You you do not know about the Sabbaths? You only know the Saturday Sabbath. That goes to show how little you really know. You're no expert, but come here telling us we should know about the Sabbath?

Stop remaining ignorant of what you need to know to have understanding. LEARN! Learning is eating the Word of God. Believing is digesting it. Walking in the Spirit in that Truth is walking in the energy of what you digested that God will provide you and make your mind sharper than you could have ever imagined.

Simple false teachings are designed to keep those who assume they are simple minded, to give them something to think with, to make them feel they know something that will make them smarter than those who reject their false teaching. Its a vicious cycle of darkness covering over any pin holes that may try to get some light through!

Here! Learn something you NEED to know if you are going to keep the Sabbaths!


Special Sabbaths of the Jewish Year


Stop being ignorant!

 

[Elder 111]

You you do not know about the Sabbaths? You only know the Saturday Sabbath. That goes to show how little you really know. You're no expert, but come here telling us we should know about the Sabbath?

Stop remaining ignorant of what you need to know to have understanding. LEARN! Learning is eating the Word of God. Believing is digesting it. Walking in the Spirit in that Truth is walking in the energy of what you digested that God will provide you and make your mind sharper than you could have ever imagined.

Simple false teachings are designed to keep those who assume they are simple minded, to give them something to think with, to make them feel they know something that will make them smarter than those who reject their false teaching. Its a vicious cycle of darkness covering over any pin holes that may try to get some light through!

Here! Learn something you NEED to know if you are going to keep the Sabbaths!


Special Sabbaths of the Jewish Year


Stop being ignorant!

It is not my ignorance but your acceptance of you pastor's view and not the bible's stated position.
There are yearly high day/sabbath which indeed is what Paul referred when he spoke of observing sabbath days, and there is the weekly Sabbath. At times the yearly sabbath would fall on the same day as the weekly Sabbath, command sense. That is what happened at the crucifixion.
One of these Sabbath days which fell on the 10th of the Seventh Jewish month was Yom Kippur.

 

[GenemZ]

It is not my ignorance but your acceptance of you pastor's view and not the bible's stated position.
There are yearly high day/sabbath which indeed is what Paul referred when he spoke of observing sabbath days, and there is the weekly Sabbath. At times the yearly sabbath would fall on the same day as the weekly Sabbath, command sense. That is what happened at the crucifixion.

Are you saying that Jesus was crucified on Friday? That was the High Sabbath for Passover. Passover could fall on various days of the week. How are you sure of that claim? All the circumstances mentioned in the Bible say you are wrong.

One of these Sabbath days which fell on the 10th of the Seventh Jewish month was Yom Kippur.

The question is... Do you keep all those Sabbaths that do not fall on a Saturday? Do you? Do you take off from work?

 

[Elder 111]

Are you saying that Jesus was crucified on Friday? That was the High Sabbath for Passover. Passover could fall on various days of the week. How are you sure of that claim? All the circumstances mentioned in the Bible say you are wrong.

I know for a fact and it is still observe to this day that: Friday is the preparation day. The bible said Jesus was Crucified laid in the tomb and that the next day was Sabbath. You have a problem with that, that is your business. I don't.
Like today the Jews counted part of a day as a day, so we have Friday, Sabbath and Sunday. If you are told by your doctor to return to him in three days you will not count 72 hours before doing so.

AThe question is... Do you keep all those Sabbaths that do not fall on a Saturday? Do you? Do you take off from work?

NO! Unnecessary question. I just stated that what Paul referred to when he said let no one judge us in.

 

[VictorC]

It is not my ignorance but your acceptance of you pastor's view and not the bible's stated position.

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. - Mark 16:1
Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. - Luke 23:56

There's the Bible's 'position' stripped to utter simplicity. Mary and her band of cohorts procured embalming spices between two sabbaths in the week. How do you reconcile your opinion with the chronology posited by the Bible?

There are yearly high day/sabbath which indeed is what Paul referred when he spoke of observing sabbath days, and there is the weekly Sabbath. At times the yearly sabbath would fall on the same day as the weekly Sabbath, command sense. That is what happened at the crucifixion.
One of these Sabbath days which fell on the 10th of the Seventh Jewish month was Yom Kippur.

You were the one who used huge fonts and alternate color to draw attention to the portion of Exodus 31:13 where God spoke "Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep". Now after making a big fuss about God's sabbaths in the plural, you've done an about face and discarded them.

Do you keep all those Sabbaths that do not fall on a Saturday?

NO! Unnecessary question.

This is theological suicide you've committed.

 

[from scratch]

Jewish days ended at sunset, and the new day began at the same sunset.

So, if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday? His soul entered the belly of the earth right after he gave up his spirit. That was still Wednesday. Day one.

He was already placed in the Tomb, just before the beginning of Thursday at that sunset. Night one.

And, then remained in the earth Thursday during daylight. Day two.

At sunset of Thursday began Friday. Night two.

Friday daytime came. Day three.

At Friday at sunset began the Saturday Sabbath. Night three.



Sometime before sunrise of the Saturday Sabbath Jesus rose from the grave.

That made three days and three nights as he promised.

Mary went to the tomb on the first day of the week (our Sunday). Jesus had been already risen.

Matthew 28:1

After the (regular) Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week,
Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.



​

That Sabbath ended at Sunset Saturday. Sunday then began.


The first right after his crucifixion was the beginning of a Special Sabbath for the Passover. Then, one day off was Friday. Then the next Sabbath was the regular Saturday Sabbath.

Believers who have not been shown about the Special Sabbaths tend to get all tangled up in trying to explain how what we read can be truth.

John 19:31
​

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special
Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the
crosses during the (that) Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs
broken and the bodies taken down.



​

Now is it easy?

OK I've got more time to think about your post.

Why didn't you count Wednesday night if Jesus died on that day?

The other thing that gets me is the women came on the first day toward the Sabbath in the dawn or daylight.

It is my understanding the High Sabbath (Passover) is the 14th of the month. This means it can't be first Sabbath. So I count 4 nights the way you have it. Is this wrong? Please help me out here.

Could the problem be the Bible uses the new moon calendar while we apply the Gregorian calendar? Jesus died and was buried before sunset. Exactly when He was buried isn't pin able. There evidently was still enough time to acquire the burial spices on burial day before whatever Sabbath there.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I know for a fact and it is still observe to this day that: Friday is the preparation day. The bible said Jesus was Crucified laid in the tomb and that the next day was Sabbath. You have a problem with that, that is your business. I don't.
Like today the Jews counted part of a day as a day, so we have Friday, Sabbath and Sunday. If you are told by your doctor to return to him in three days you will not count 72 hours before doing so.

Elder, Elder, Elder!

VictorC is correct. there were two sabbaths that the women had to mitigate!

and bump that "three day" explanation you gave which is entirely different from what the Christ said:

Matthew 12:40(NKJV)
40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

the Christ was very specific!

 

[Elder 111]

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. - Mark 16:1
Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. - Luke 23:56

There's the Bible's 'position' stripped to utter simplicity. Mary and her band of cohorts procured embalming spices between two sabbaths in the week. How do you reconcile your opinion with the chronology posited by the Bible?



You were the one who used huge fonts and alternate color to draw attention to the portion of Exodus 31:13 where God spoke "Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep". Now after making a big fuss about God's sabbaths in the plural, you've done an about face and discarded them.

This is theological suicide you've committed.

That is the same Sabbath not two.

 

[Elder 111]

Elder, Elder, Elder!

VictorC is correct. there were two sabbaths that the women had to mitigate!

and bump that "three day" explanation you gave which is entirely different from what the Christ said:

Matthew 12:40(NKJV)
40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

the Christ was very specific!

Mat. 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

Does your conclusions completely fit?

 

[JohnRabbit]

Mat. 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

Does your conclusions completely fit?

with matt 12:40, there's no parsing here.

what you've posted is in line with what i said to you earlier.

maybe this will help:

Genesis 1:13(NKJV)
13So the evening and the morning were the third day.

evening = night

morning = day

just like Messiah said!

that's easy enough isn't it?

 

[VictorC]

Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. - Mark 16:1
Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. - Luke 23:56

There's the Bible's 'position' stripped to utter simplicity. Mary and her band of cohorts procured embalming spices between two sabbaths in the week. How do you reconcile your opinion with the chronology posited by the Bible?

That is the same Sabbath not two.

In essence, you can't - and this was expected from you. Your opinion is impossible to reconcile with the Biblical record.