What happened to the jew's Messiah?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does the jew's Moshiach come before or after the Great Day of the Lord?

zeph 1:2 " I will utterly consume everything From the face of the land," Says the LORD; 3 "I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, The fish of the sea, And the stumbling blocks along with the wicked. I will cut off man from the face of the land," Says the LORD. 4 "I will stretch out My hand against Judah, And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off every trace of Baal from this place,

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

Technically, Israel as a nation was disbanded long before the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 CE.
Are you going to support your claim or not? If you will be honest about not supporting your claim or finally support your claim I shall answer you question.

The Sanctuary and Temple was the jew's "heaven and earth". Did Jesus prophecy come true or not?
I doubt if a True Jewish Moshiach would make a prophecy like this and it not come to pass, otherwise he would be a False Moshiach, correct? Depends on what the heaven and earth are symbolizing in the OT and NT?

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

 

[peepnklown]

Depends on what the heaven and earth are symbolizing in the OT and NT?

Thanks for being dishonest. You will not support your claims, and continue to dodge it. I am done until you support your claim in post#3 or at least say you cannot support your claim.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

According to christians and muslims, the Lord is returning in the future.
How can that happen before the messiah the jews are waiting shows up? Thoughts?

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

Thanks for being dishonest. You will not support your claims, and continue to dodge it. I am done until you support your claim in post#3 or at least say you cannot support your claim.

Hmmm. I will see if I can get the jews to answer this question since you won't bother given a yes or no to this simple question.

Does the jew's Moshiach come before or after the Great Day of the Lord and new heaven and earth in Isaiah 65?

zeph 1:2 " I will utterly consume everything From the face of the land," Says the LORD; 3 "I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, The fish of the sea, And the stumbling blocks along with the wicked. I will cut off man from the face of the land," Says the LORD. 4 "I will stretch out My hand against Judah, And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off every trace of Baal from this place,

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

 

[Exegete12]

Not to mention that the Messiah of the Christian Bible is vastly different from the Messiah of Judaism. From what I can tell, the Jewish messiah is little more than a politician. And what need does the world have for one more of those?

That's why the Jews accept the anti-Christ as their Messiah.

 

[Islam_mulia]

That's why the Jews accept the anti-Christ as their Messiah.

And who would that be?

 

[Exegete12]

And who would that be?

We don't know yet. But we do know his number is 666. Whether He come out of Judaism, the Western world or Islam is yet to be revealed.

 

[Islam_mulia]

We don't know yet. But we do know his number is 666. Whether He come out of Judaism, the Western world or Islam is yet to be revealed.

Let me guess. You said Jews accept anti-christ as their messiah. And you identify the anti christ as 666. Where do you get the idea that the jews believe the 666 to be their messiah???

 

[peepnklown]

I will see if I can get the Jews to answer this question since you won't bother given a yes or no to this simple question.

I will not answer your questions because you will not substantiate your claim (post#3).
I will not let you get away with it, thus you will continue to dodge it.

That's why the Jews accept the anti-Christ as their Messiah.

I call shenanigans; I challenge you to support this claim.

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Thanks for being dishonest. You will not support your claims, and continue to dodge it. I am done until you support your claim in post#3 or at least say you cannot support your claim.

He has a problem this one he goes on creating thread after thread and does not back up his claims. take him with a pinch of salt. He has a problem I am sure. I think he should go and see a doctor.
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the Just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Let me guess. You said Jews accept anti-christ as their messiah. And you identify the anti christ as 666. Where do you get the idea that the jews believe the 666 to be their messiah???

sorry to butt in but that would be dajjal bro.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the just

 

[yaqovzadeek]

That's why the Jews accept the anti-Christ as their Messiah.

if the jews accept the Anti christ as the messiah and Jesus will come and defeat the anti christ so who will Jesus be fighting then.I am sure you have the Answer.
peace
yaqovzadeek
Aka james the just

 

[SedjmNeter]

It's my overstanding that there is not one Anti-Christ but many (i.e anyone who is against Christ)

SHEM HETEP

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's why the Jews accept the anti-Christ as their Messiah.

if the jews accept the Anti christ as the messiah and Jesus will come and defeat the anti christ so who will Jesus be fighting then.I am sure you have the Answer.
peace
yaqovzadeek
Aka james the just

According to christians and muslims, the Lord is returning in the future. The antichrist can't come until the jew's Moshiach shows up, which the muslims claim is Muhammad.

How can the Day of the Lord happen before the messiah the jews are waiting shows up? Thoughts?

Jeremiah 31:31 Lo, days are coming, an affirmation of Jehovah, And I have made with the house of Israel And with the house of Judah a New Covenant,

Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem [as] a rejoicing, And her people a joy.

Does the jew's Moshiach come before or after the Great Day of the Lord and new heaven and earth in Isaiah 65?

zeph 1:2 " I will utterly consume everything From the face of the land," Says the LORD; 3 "I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, The fish of the sea, And the stumbling blocks along with the wicked. I will cut off man from the face of the land," Says the LORD. 4 "I will stretch out My hand against Judah, And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem. I will cut off every trace of Baal from this place,

Matt 23: 38 "See! Your house is left to you a Wilderness;

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Naos of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Naos [#3485] be Casting- Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

 

[Islam_mulia]

sorry to butt in but that would be dajjal bro.
peace
Yaqovzadeek
aka james the just

I know Muslims believe it is Dajjal, brother.

What I am curious was where AlHannah has the information to insinuate that Jews believe the anti christ is 666?

 

[Exegete12]

I know Muslims believe it is Dajjal, brother.

What I am curious was where AlHannah has the information to insinuate that Jews believe the anti christ is 666?

I'm saying Christians believe the anti-Christ to have the number of the beast 666. Of course the Jews don't believe they will be accepting the anti-Christ. Afterall he comes in PEACE and the Jews accept this anti-Christ and so do the Muslims, in fact the whole world because there is peace for about 3.5 years. That means peace in the Middle East. Now that can only really happen after a war, as there is no way Muslims, Jews or the West will embrace anyone from another party. Then they realise this person is vile, and he causes all poor and rich to worship him and his image. And they have a mark of the beast (this is a cashless society, possibly a microchip in their hand or forehead to do financial transactions). With this sort of technology I would presume it comes out of the Western world. Anyway these are just summisings. Many Christians have different views. The wackiest one I've heard is that it could be Prince William (this is those British Israelite religion who think this, well some of them). And no I am not a British Israelite.

 

[VonKarman]

I'm still trying to figure out why a Christian keeps asking an atheist what the Jews think....LOL.

 

[Exegete12]

I'm still trying to figure out why a Christian keeps asking an atheist what the Jews think....LOL.

Who's the Christian asking the atheist?

 

[VonKarman]

I think they all know who they are...

 

[peepnklown]

He has a problem this one he goes on creating thread after thread and does not back up his claims.

It seems a few people on this thread cannot substantiate their claims.

I'm saying Christians believe the anti-Christ to have the number of the beast 666.

The earliest text has the number 616.
So, are you going to substantiate your claim?
The problem is most people don’t know Roman history, if you want to talk about the ‘mark of the beast,’ or ‘cashless society,’ you should research Roman history because this was happening during the time the book of Revelation was written.
Look up Emperor Domitian who was also called Nero reborn, who began a huge campaign to mark those who would worship him (and this mark allowed them to purchase goods).

I'm still trying to figure out why a Christian keeps asking an atheist what the Jews think

Thanks for adding nothing to the thread, really, thanks.
He is asking for a Jewish point of view and I so happen to be very knowledgeable of Judaism.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Vonkar:
I'm still trying to figure out why a Christian keeps asking an atheist what the Jews think

peepn: Thanks for adding nothing to the thread, really, thanks.
He is asking for a Jewish point of view and I so happen to be very knowledgeable of Judaism.

I am wondering how the jews view this verse. If atheists feel they can give a "Scriptural" answer, then feel free. Peace.

Hosea 13:14 "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction! Pity is hidden from My eyes.

Isaiah 28:14 Therefore hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, Who rule this people who [are] in Jerusalem, 15 Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement...... 18 Your covenant with death will be atoned/covered over, And your agreement with Sheol will not stand; When the overflowing scourge passes through, Then you will be trampled down by it.