LDS What exactly do you believe?

[He is the way]

You then quoted Phil (2:5-6),correct interpretation: The context of "let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, Who..." is not applying to verse 6, but is applying to verse 4 which you - convenient to your erroneous beliefs - left out. Verse 4 states: "not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others."
This is the mind that ought to be in Christians, the mind of humility and putting the needs and interests of the other before those of yourself. Not that you should have the mind "to not think it robbery to be equal with God." It should go without saying that the human creature should not conclude that we - the Christians - should have the mind in us "to not think it robbery to be equal with God". Quoting these verses and twisting them this way means you are saying that we should think that we are equal with God because Jesus is equal with His Father. It is blatant blasphemy.

I did not twist the scripture, I quoted it verbatim from the KJV of the Bible. Later Paul wrote:

(New Testament | Philippians 3:12 - 15)

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

 

[Deus Vult!]

Let's put in judges:

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are judges?
35 If he called them judges, unto whom the word of judge came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of judge?

Can you see how this does not work? Besides the Greek word for judges is very different than the use of the word God. The Hebrew word could have meant judge or God, but Jesus made it very clear in the New Testament exactly which one He meant. He meant God.

Never said to interchange the word "judges" for "gods". Why don't you give what I replied with another read. If you do not understand it after your second read please let me know.

 

[He is the way]

Next you quote 2nd Peter (1:3-9). I will just copy and paste what you emboldened as if this was your proof text.
-ye might be partakers of the divine nature
-and to patience godliness
How is this proof text that in heaven we will be "gods" able to create reasoning creatures? Notice that it says "partakers of the divine nature" not that "you might become the divine nature". Beyond that, concerning "godliness", even now we Christians work out godliness, even now as we love Christ/follow His commandments we are "working out our own salvation". This cannot be done without in this life being holy/godly. This is the context. If "godly" was meant to imply here that this is obtained in heaven once we are "gods" then why wouldn't be the very last virtue listed??
The fact that the virtues St.Peter is listing goes on - in a chronological fashion - ending in charity we ought to then conclude - following your logic - that in heaven we become the personification of "charity". "Charity Gods" if you will... Smh.

So in essence we have a different understanding about what it means to be "partakers of the divine nature" As I see it, it means becoming divine. There is also this:

(Old Testament | Genesis 3:22)

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[He is the way]

Never said to interchange the word "judges" for "gods". Why don't you give what I replied with another read. If you do not understand it after your second read please let me know.

I have read that scripture many many times and it is evident that Jesus said the word God. He also meant God in Palms 82:6.

 

[He is the way]

1st John 3:2
"we shall be like him" Notice it says we shall be like him? It does not say that we shall be Him, does not say that we will be "gods", and certainly does not say that we will have the power to create reasoning creatures. In fact this "we shall be like him" is similar to Jesus' statement that in heaven we will be "like the angels." The fact that we shall be like him is only referring to the fact that we will have resurrected bodies like that of the Lord. Not that we will be like God.
I hope anything I am saying to you is sinking in... For sure our marriage decisions here on earth do not continue into eternity, with the result of us becoming new, married gods who reign over the earth - like planets where we sire more children.

We won't be Him, but we will be one with Him:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[Jamesone5]

Let's put in judges:

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are judges?
35 If he called them judges, unto whom the word of judge came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of judge?

Can you see how this does not work? Besides the Greek word for judges is very different than the use of the word God. The Hebrew word could have meant judge or God, but Jesus made it very clear in the New Testament exactly which one He meant. He meant God.

I notice in defense of being Gods or gods you put in the version of John 10:34 that says "ye are gods" in defense of you god thing. A few posts later it changed to the version which reflect "ye are judges" in the later argument. Which are you now claiming to work your way to----- "gods" or merely "judges"?

I was a Mormon for 40 years until the Grace of God brought me out of that cult. But then,I realized that type of deception you displayed is very common. Stick with only your KJV---you know it is supposedly the only accepted version of the Mormon Church.

 

[DamianWarS]

What exactly do you believe? Do you believe human can become god and create reasonable beings? If this is so, we don't need God. We can create alone faithful servants of ourselves.

If true the logic still points to a hiarchal system of gods that point to one being at the top, uncreated and eternally existent it just removes the personal interaction of this high God since you have to go through the chain of command. Each world would be a vacuum and in that vacuum there is only one God, outside the vacuum the "one God" is not actually not God at all, just a project manager.

 

[Deus Vult!]

I have read that scripture many many times and it is evident that Jesus said the word God. He also meant God in Palms 82:6.

You are following the doctrines of demons.
This is a strictly satanic pursuit that you have planted like a strangling weed in your heart. The Holy Spirit knows that you are a deceiver and liar. The One God and Creator judge you if you remain in your error until death. Beware:
The devil said to Eve "...for He knows that your eyes will be opened and you will be like God..."
Isaiah 14 "...I will be like the Most High..."

 

[Deus Vult!]

I notice in defense of being Gods or gods you put in the version of John 10:34 that says "ye are gods" in defense of you god thing. A few posts later it changed to the version which reflect "ye are judges" in the later argument. Which are you now claiming to work your way to----- "gods" or merely "judges"?

I was a Mormon for 40 years until the Grace of God brought me out of that cult. But then,I realized that type of deception you displayed is very common. Stick with only your KJV---you know it is supposedly the only accepted version of the Mormon Church.

You need to go and look at my original refutation that was about 7-8 paragraphs. Then read this non sense that he put up in defense of his error... By the way there is no version that interchanges "judges" for "gods". The Scripture does read "gods". He knows full well that my original refutation of his erronious reference to John 10 reproved his error. He knows that he belongs to a fanatic cult that is baseless through and through. The Holy Spirit judge him for it should he die while obstinate in his error.

 

[Jamesone5]

We won't be Him, but we will be one with Him:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Do you see the words "like us as God" anywhere?
And a slow reading of every word of that verse says that "they may be one as WE ARE ONE" That that verse already establishes Two parts of the Triune God. You going to establish somehow you will be part of the Triune God which you don't believe in anyway?

 

[He is the way]

Finally,
Revelation 3:21)
21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
If you do not see the difference here I don't know what to tell you. These verses are helping my the Traditional Catholic position at this point... The Lord(Jesus) will grant us to sit with Him on His throne, as He sits with His Father on His throne. There is a big difference there, even almost helps foolish people to see that all the glory is to God and God alone.
1st Corinthian (14:27-29)
"For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28 And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
This is to mean that all glory is due to God. The One Who put all things under the feet of His Son, and His Son Who gives all back to His Father. This Loving between the Father and the Son is The Holy Spirit. The Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit are the One Creator. You and the rest of the human race will never be like Him. You know this in your heart...

The fact that people can read Scripture this way further proves that the Bible just does not interpret itself. And that people twist and contort the Scripture to their destruction as St.Peter forewarned.
2nd Peter(3:15-16) "15 Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16 He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do also with the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Eternity is a long time. Most people have a hard time trying to fathom eternity. Is there a limit on what can be done in one hundred trillion years? That is a very short time compared to eternity:

(New Testament | John 11:25 - 26)

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

We are not going to learn everything in this life, but our goal is to be like God. Our fundamental objective while we are here is this:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[He is the way]

Do you see the words "like us as God" anywhere?
And a slow reading of every word of that verse says that "they may be one as WE ARE ONE" That that verse already establishes Two parts of the Triune God. You going to establish somehow you will be part of the Triune God which you don't believe in anyway?

God the Father is the Father and God of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Truine God is a man made concept. The Jesus stated how they are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[truefiction1]

I ask you, what does the bible tell us we can become?

The problem with your understanding is not with the deification of men by God's grace. The problem is with your understanding of God, and in what way and by what means we participate in the Life of God (i.e. become one with God). God the Father was never a finite being, and it is not at all possible to draw such a conclusion from the Bible, because the Bible gives irrefutable testimony against such a notion.

 

[truefiction1]

God the Father is the Father and God of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Truine God is a man made concept. The Jesus stated how they are one:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The problem with your understanding is not with the deification of men by God's grace. The problem is with your understanding of God, and in what way and by what means we participate in the Life of God (i.e. become one with God). God the Father was never a finite being, and it is not at all possible to draw such a conclusion from the Bible, because the Bible gives irrefutable testimony against such a notion.

 

[He is the way]

The problem with your understanding is not with the deification of men by God's grace. The problem is with your understanding of God, and in what way and by what means we participate in the Life of God (i.e. become one with God). God the Father was never a finite being, and it is not at all possible to draw such a conclusion from the Bible, because the Bible gives irrefutable testimony against such a notion.

Who said that God was a finite being?

 

[truefiction1]

Who said that God was a finite being?

The founder of the Mormon religion, as well as those who took the helm after him.

 

[He is the way]

The founder of the Mormon religion, as well as those who took the helm after him.

Is the newspaper your only source?

 

[truefiction1]

Is the newspaper your only source?

No sir, the very written works of Mormon leaders are the source.

 

[truefiction1]

Is the newspaper your only source?

Who said that the triune God is a man made concept?

 

[He is the way]

No sir, the very written works of Mormon leaders are the source.

Here is the written word:

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:29 - 30)

29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.