What Evolutionists Deny

[bhsmte]

The VERDICT which HIS WITNESSES will testify to

What witness? Can you be more specific?

 

[bhsmte]

I'm saying that THE TESTIMONY of JESUS is THE WORD of SCRIPTURE

That is a claim. I am asking whether all Christians interpret scripture the same as you?

 

[Strivax]

Evolution has nothing to do with creation. Evolution is the process of changes over time. A common misunderstanding.

I think the general idea is, if God created the world in 6 days 6000 years ago, together with the flora and fauna upon it, pretty much as they are today, then evolution would be an unnecessary process. Furthermore, if Darwin is correct, as all the evidence suggests, and life as we see it now is the product of millions of years of development, he calls into question the accuracy of a literal interpretation not only of Genesis, but by implication of all the (Jewish and Christian) scriptures. So, in this way, evolution has a lot to do with creation, and indeed, traditional understandings of the entire Bible, and its theories of human nature and purpose.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[scottyp588]

Does this mean you agree with the theory of evolution?

I accept the evidence for evolution.

 

[scottyp588]

I think the general idea is, if God created the world in 6 days 6000 years ago, together with the flora and fauna upon it, pretty much as they are today, then evolution would be an unnecessary process. Furthermore, if Darwin is correct, he calls into question the accuracy of a literal interpretation not only of Genesis, but by implication of all the scriptures. So, in this way, evolution has a lot to do with creation, and indeed, traditional understanding of the entire Bible, and its theories of human nature and purpose.

Best wishes, Strivax.

There is a lot more evidence for evolution than there is for a young earth hypothesis.

 

[bhsmte]

I accept the evidence for evolution.

Does this mean you accept there is evidence to show evolution is a solid theory?

 

[scottyp588]

Creation has a starting point

And it moved from that starting point and changed and continues to change over time

But they are 2 completely different topics.

 

[scottyp588]

Does this mean you accept there is evidence to show evolution is a solid theory?

It wouldn't be a scientific theory without the evidence. And yes, I do accept evolution as our most accurate interpretation of how life has progressed over millions of years.

 

[bhsmte]

It wouldn't be a scientific theory without the evidence. And yes, I do accept evolution as our most accurate interpretation of how life has progressed over millions of years.

Ok, thanks.

 

[VirOptimus]

Says who?

The person who has grown up into the head into the full measure of CHRIST is not only fit for every good work but us able to discern the works wrought in GOD from the works of the wrong kingdom

Its demonstrately so, otherwise there would exist evidence for it. You have faith yes, but you cant demonstrate that what you belive is true.

 

[VirOptimus]

Yet life would be a sterile, pointless affair if they didn't exist. Value judgments only have purchase on the world if they are judgments about something. And they do have that purchase. You should not confuse something that is qualitative, and can't be measured, only appreciated, with not existing at all, because it is not quantitative and subject to strict mathematical definition.

Or do you think the holocaust was not evil because one cannot say it was (say) 10.35 degrees of evil?

Best wishes, Strivax.

I dont belive "evil" exist. And you charactirisation of what my view on life on should be is very wrong.

I live a very fullfilling, happy life. I need no belief in metaphysics for that, indeed my view is that it would be far better if people shared my views as societal change and the evolvement of human societies would be far easier.

 

[miknik5]

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But they are 2 completely different topics.

How can that be?

GOD created what was good and perfect

HE didn't make the mistake

You see you believe that we are evolving towards and to

I believe we are evolving away and from

 

[Strivax]

Good and evil is metaphysical constructs that cant be measured or even shown to exist at all.

I dont belive "evil" exist. And you charactirisation of what my view on life on should be is very wrong.

I live a very fullfilling, happy life. I need no belief in metaphysics for that, indeed my view is that it would be far better if people shared my views as societal change and the evolvement of human societies would be far easier.

And clearly you think all that is/would be a good thing. Presumably, therefore, you think the status quo is a bad thing. And yet you also say you think good and evil do not exist. Do I detect an inconsistency, here?

And I return to the holocaust. Are you really trying to tell me the industrial scale murders of 6 million plus Jews, and countless communists, homosexuals, gypsies and disabled people was not evil? Because evil doesn't exist? I refer the honourable gentleman to the history of the twentieth century.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[scottyp588]

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How can that be?

GOD created what was good and perfect

HE didn't make the mistake

You see you believe that we are evolving towards and to

I believe we are evolving away and from

Who said anything about mistakes?
Evolution has no goal to be going towards.
It just happens.

 

[Speedwell]

The problem is, not everyone accepts all the scriptures are purely God's word. And rightly so, in my opinion. So we need look elsewhere to achieve consensus.

Best wishes, Strivax.

It is possible to accept the Scriptures as purely God's word without accepting the literal inerrancy of the Creationists. In particular, the Garden story need not be 100% accurate literal history in order to be divinely inspired.

 

[KWCrazy]

The first thing you have to reject is the notion that the Bible is the word of God, since no possible interpretation of the scriptures allows for evolution. So if you believe in evolution you cannot possibly support the idea that the Bible is true. The Bible doesn't hint at the notion that God could have created the world in sic days, it states clearly and without any confusion that is exactly what happened. It also states that death and sin come into the world through one man. Since there had to be billions of years of death before man, then this also must be false. Jesus quoted from the Scriptures and believed them to be the inspired word of God. If evolution happened, then nothing Jesus said can be taken at face value. Since Christian means "of Christ" and Christ believed and taught that the teachings of Moses were accurate, if they were not then there would certainly be no reason to claim to be a follower of this poor mistaken soul.

Therefore, one should chose to support evolution or to support the teachings of Christ. The two are mutually exclusive. One cannot believe in both.

 

[miknik5]

Who said anything about mistakes?
Evolution has no goal to be going towards.
It just happens.

Yes. But it's a gradual happening

Wait til 2 Thessalonians 2 happens and then it will be quite drastic and profound and not to be ignored

But please
Whatever you do
Don't blame it on GOD

 

[scottyp588]

The first thing you have to reject is the notion that the Bible is the word of God, since no possible interpretation of the scriptures allows for evolution. So if you believe in evolution you cannot possibly support the idea that the Bible is true. The Bible doesn't hint at the notion that God could have created the world in sic days, it states clearly and without any confusion that is exactly what happened. It also states that death and sin come into the world through one man. Since there had to be billions of years of death before man, then this also must be false. Jesus quoted from the Scriptures and believed them to be the inspired word of God. If evolution happened, then nothing Jesus said can be taken at face value. Since Christian means "of Christ" and Christ believed and taught that the teachings of Moses were accurate, if they were not then there would certainly be no reason to claim to be a follower of this poor mistaken soul.

Therefore, one should chose to support evolution or to support the teachings of Christ. The two are mutually exclusive. One cannot believe in both.

So you are claiming to know every interpretation of the bible?

 

[miknik5]

The first thing you have to reject is the notion that the Bible is the word of God, since no possible interpretation of the scriptures allows for evolution. So if you believe in evolution you cannot possibly support the idea that the Bible is true. The Bible doesn't hint at the notion that God could have created the world in sic days, it states clearly and without any confusion that is exactly what happened. It also states that death and sin come into the world through one man. Since there had to be billions of years of death before man, then this also must be false. Jesus quoted from the Scriptures and believed them to be the inspired word of God. If evolution happened, then nothing Jesus said can be taken at face value. Since Christian means "of Christ" and Christ believed and taught that the teachings of Moses were accurate, if they were not then there would certainly be no reason to claim to be a follower of this poor mistaken soul.

Therefore, one should chose to support evolution or to support the teachings of Christ. The two are mutually exclusive. One cannot believe in both.

says who?

You?

That has been the deception from the beginning

 

[miknik5]

So you are claiming to know every interpretation of the bible?

I didn't get that from the post at all

Rather an encouraging of a disconnect between those who hold to evolution and those who hold to THE TESTIMONY of JESUS