What Evolution fails to mention.

[Neogaia777]

Those stories in genesis are a poetic way of saying that God created everything. Taking them literally only causes and has caused confusion . Since the creation story is told by using folklore patterns( using puns and numerology) I’ve never thought of it as anything but a tale. I certainly don’t think of it as a history. (And as an aside misusing this for centuries to deny women their full civil rights as adults has been horrible )

Everything we have and are today we owe to God and his word the Bible...

Just try and think what state the world would be in today without them...

Every single human and civil rights revolution in the name of freedom, we owe to God...

You are sorely mistaken...

Women would not have their rights today if it were not for God and the Bible, slavery would still exist also...

An innumerable "other things" we owe to God and the Bible and what and all that he did for us...

We most certainly would not be enjoying hardly any of the freedoms we have today without it/him/them...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Even if they are not literal (at least here anyway) then God considered them very, very important, and so should we... But, in what "way"...?

What are the main, general purpose of all "legends" or telling stories to each generation from the previous ones...? It is usually, for one, that they (the people) considered them so very "profound" for one... But, for another, is, as they say is "the moral of", or the "point of the stories"... What is the point and purpose of their/these "illustrations"...?

That point, and those points, in Genesis, are what God felt more important than anything else he could possibly tell us, and ours, is to figure out "why"...?

Why were they, or what makes them, "that important"...?

God Bless!

Sometimes the "Legend(s)" are more important than literal history or "anything else" even, (and God knew that) and the Legends in Genesis are most definitely one of those times...

It guided us, led and directed us in our social evolution and revolutions, which I just stated in the post just before, and above this one...

And that was "more important"...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Sometimes the "Legend(s)" are more important than literal history or "anything else" even, (and God knew that) and the Legends in Genesis are most definitely one of those times...

It guided us, led and directed us in our social evolution and revolutions, which I just stated in the post just before, and above this one...

And that was "more important"...

God Bless!

Sure, some have used it incorrectly and abusively... but, God prospered the ones and caused the ones who used it correctly, or more correctly, to prosper and succeed more, or the most, and much more so than those others...

Which has led us all "here"... Where we are, and what we are, and what we have today...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Sometimes the "Legend(s)" are more important than literal history or "anything else" even, (and God knew that) and the Legends in Genesis are most definitely one of those times...

It guided us, led and directed us in our social evolution and revolutions, which I just stated in the post just before, and above this one...

And that was "more important"...

God Bless!

Sure, some have used it incorrectly and abusively... but, God prospered the ones and caused the ones who used it correctly, or more correctly, to prosper and succeed more, or the most, and much more so than those others...

Which has led us all "here"... Where we are, and what we are, and what we have today...

God Bless!

Many (evil) men and societies throughout history have tried to eliminate God's word and the/a belief in God, and not for good or righteous means either (by any means) but to put us all back into "bondage" again...

And, that is what many leaders, with hidden evil agenda's "hate" about it the most... And is, or was, (and still can be, and still can try to happen, now, today) Anyway, and what is, or what was, what caused them to try very hard to eliminate it...

And, thank God it hasn't worked so far, and hasn't been allowed to happen so far...

It free's us.. liberates us... and stops, and has stopped, many evil societies and men, from eliminating that/those freedom(s) and liberty(s)...

God Bless!

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is not rational to deny evidences and make stuff up.

Says the Last Thursday proponent.

It is not evidence when all you do is soil evidences with beliefs.

Says the fundamentalist creationists, whose beliefs even make other fundamentalists creationists laugh.

It could not be empirical dealing with an unknown And you cannot test the former nature or the future. Nor can you test time in the far universe. All your criteria are blasted to smithereens.

And to be replaced by Last Thursdayism?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Fossils are not inventions. What is invented is what they came from or produced.

Eukaryotes are not fossils, Einstein.
Perhaps at least google the word...

 

[dad]

Says the Last Thursday proponent.




Says the fundamentalist creationists, whose beliefs even make other fundamentalists creationists laugh.



And to be replaced by Last Thursdayism?

Try to deal with the faith based nature science has used for all evolution and origin claims. Rather than trying to insult people who ask for prof, you should be supporting your premises. Those who do not accept your baseless beliefs are not engaging in last thursdayism in any way. Your job is to defend how you claim last thursday (ancient past on ear) was.

 

[dad]

Eukaryotes are not fossils, Einstein.
Perhaps at least google the word...

Great, so if you want to talk of living ones, try to relate that to the debate. Your claims of where they came from are what is being roasted here.

 

[Brightmoon]

Errr, Dad humans are eucaryotes (smh)

And Neo , there this old saying that even the devil can quote scripture. I had ancestors who were kept in slavery by people who understood very well that the Bible tells slaves to obey their masters. So please don’t tell me that the Bible doesn’t condone slavery . Those verses that tell women to submit to husbands were used deny women civil, financial and marriage rights for centuries . The Bible has always been a mixed blessing

 

[Brightmoon]

for the last 4 centuries the Bible has also been misused to deny verifiable facts of nature . The exhortations to kill and otherwise abuse homosexuals is equally as horrible

 

[HitchSlap]

Evolution is a fact. How theists integrate this into their religious beliefs is not our problem.

 

[Brightmoon]

Living fossils are just animals and plants that have been around for a very long time. Ants , magnolias , ferns, roaches , ginkgos, wasps, tuatara, coelacanths, cycads, dawn redwood, etc ( shrug) . Why do you think this is a big deal, Dad? They aren’t the same species or even genus as the fossil ones but obviously recognizable

 

[pitabread]

Those who do not accept your baseless beliefs are not engaging in last thursdayism in any way.

Yes you are, just embrace it.

 

[USincognito]

I would not know as it has never been observed.

Do you not know what a hypothetical is?

We human beings also share much of our genes with bananas.

What is it with Creationists and their bizarre focus on bananas?

I believe that it makes more sense that the "sharing" of genes is evidence of intelligent design not common ancestry. Again I'll to disagree and conclude that it is at least somewhat subjective.

No, the evidence is quite objective and the problem with "common design" is it's ad hoc making it a logical fallacy and unfalsifiable making it unscientific. It also doesn't explain many of the things we observe that only make sense in the context of common ancestry. Examples would be:
- 203,000 endogenous retroviruses shared by humans and chimpanzees
- a broken GULO gene (for vitamin C production) in all Haplorhine primates including humans
- a broken Sonic Hedgehog/Hand2 gene pathway for hind limb development in whales
- broken VTG genes (for egg yolk sac development) in Therian mammals (placentals and marsupials)

Evolution should not be used as science fact to describe the process in which modern life came to be. That was intent of my original post. If you wish to believe that evolution is the process in which modern life came to be then you can if you want to.

There's no belief involved. That's a Creationist false narrative. The evidence, literally tons of it, supports that fact of evolution.

 

[dad]

Yes you are, just embrace it.

Sorry, last week is not an issue. By the way, it is 2018, do you believe in the Man they set that to...many weeks ago?

Try to accept that refusing to blindly embrace your fantasies is not denying last week.

 

[dad]

What is it with Creationists and their bizarre focus on bananas?

How about potatoes? Skunk weed? You think you share kin with skunk weed?

 

[Brightmoon]

What part of we’re related to plants didn’t you get

 

[Gene2memE]

Genetically speaking, we're related to all life, either distantly or less so.

dad is using what's commonly termed the "Argument from Ick/Yuck", and more formally known as the 'Wisdom of Repugnance' or the 'Argument from Discgust'.

It's the concept that if something act or thing is considered repulsive, then its somehow inherently wrong/harmful/evil.

It's most commonly been used against homosexuality. Basically the argument is/was that because some people find homosexuality offputting/repugnant, then somehow this makes it intrinsically immoral or wrong. It equates repugnance at actually intrinsically harmful behaviours, with repugnance at behaviours that aren't intrinsically harmful.

So, dad asking you if you think you're related to cockroaches, or skunk weed or potatoes is really just a falacious appeal to emotion.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Try to deal with the faith based nature science has used for all evolution and origin claims. Rather than trying to insult people who ask for prof, you should be supporting your premises. Those who do not accept your baseless beliefs are not engaging in last thursdayism in any way. Your job is to defend how you claim last thursday (ancient past on ear) was.

I'm sorry, it sounds like you are under the impression that I am having a serious conversation with you. For the record: I'm not.

I really don't feel like I need to explain myself to someone whose beliefs are indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism. Nore can I take the statements of such a person seriously.

To me, you are just a joke.

I don't plan on defending anything to you in terms of arguments or evidence or what not, because it is an a priori exercise in futility.

Again, your beliefs are indistinguishable from Last Thursdayism. There is no reasoning possible with you. Reason and evidence, is the last thing that you care about.

Why would I take the time and effort to write you a serious post where serious evidence is discussed? It's not like it's going to stick or something…. It's not like you will understand the importance of it. It's not like you will respond seriously, honestly and with reason.

No. Instead, you'll just toss out your Last Thursday-ish beliefs, ignore all the evidence and then run away claiming victory.

It's literally like playing chess with a pidgeon.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Great, so if you want to talk of living ones, try to relate that to the debate. Your claims of where they came from are what is being roasted here.

Lol....

Nothing's being roasted, except your credibility (not that you had any to begin with).

Sounds like you still didn't google the word "eukaryote". I advice you do.