What Evolution fails to mention.

[Ohj1n37]

But the theory of evolution *doesn't* explain the origin of life. Therefore nobody could possibly use the ToE as such an explanation.

But people do.

Both parent plants have 18 chromosomes . Raphanobrassica has 36 chromosomes . There’s your “increase in genetic information” .

I do not think hybridization is considered an actual increase in genetic information.

Do new functions arise by gene duplication? - creation.com

They mention the raphanobrassica in that article.

You really shouldn’t get your info from creationist sources . They have a well deserved reputation for lying.

What makes you think secular sources are not twisting facts to support an agenda? Just a thought.

I tend to unintentionally offend people especially on controversial topics. I thought on this forum it might be different, but I am starting to sense some hostility, so I'll excuse myself from this thread.

I'll end by saying, try to get different viewpoints don't just assume the other viewpoint is incorrect. I think with an open mind and more research it will become evident that evolution is not observable science.

 

[pitabread]

But people do.

Which people?

I think with an open mind and more research it will become evident that evolution is not observable science.

The mechanisms of evolution (change in gene frequencies in populations over time) are directly observable. To suggest otherwise is... odd.

 

[Brightmoon]

But people do.



I do not think hybridization is considered an actual increase in genetic information.

Do new functions arise by gene duplication? - creation.com

They mention the raphanobrassica in that article.





I tend to unintentionally offend people especially on controversial topics. I thought on this forum it might be different, but I am starting to sense some hostility, so I'll excuse myself from this thread.

I'll end by saying, try to get different viewpoints don't just assume the other viewpoint is incorrect. I think with an open mind and more research it will become evident that evolution is not observable science.

I’ve got a biology degree . I do understand that you don’t understand evolution. You use the Orwellian newspeak terminology that creationists use to confuse laymen . Learn some real science. Hybridization can and obviously does lead to speciation . In this case Raphanobrassica can only produce offspring with other Raphanobrassica plants not with either parent species. Despite creationist misuse of scientific terminology , speciation is macroevolution

 

[Brightmoon]

 

[USincognito]

Since evolution has been easily observed both in the wild and in labs you do realize that this is 1 nonsense and 2 evidence that creation “scientists” lie

You need to fix your tags.

 

[Neogaia777]

Either way, it does not change my views on God, or Creator or seeder of life...

The universe did not come from nothing or no one, and life did not either... but it was planted, or seeded, or introduced, or set in motion, or began by, a intelligent creator or designer, or giver, or bringer about of, "life"...

And the process of evolution itself, was guided and directed by a intelligent code or plan, or design (sea life always comes before land life, ect) (as just one example of how the plan of life always happens, wherever or whenever, even elsewhere) and DNA carries that specific code or plan (for life)... Which led to us of course, as all a part of the plan or code, or design...

It's really pretty amazing, the intelligent design behind it all, and beauty of it all... that it is not just all "random", but it all proceeded and happened and does all happen, according to a plan or code or design, by a designer, that we can see in DNA...

There is an order to the process of life that not only was preparing (the way) for us (to come about), but also reeks of intelligent design, and order, and plan, (or program) in my opinion...

DNA, (or that which carries the primary code for directing the process and program of life), is a lot like a computer program is, just using biology instead of mechanism... And any computer program has a designer, or creator, or maker of it...

If we were to create AI, or multiple AI's, we would start with a primary program or code, that would give it life, and would then, grow, change, and evolve all on it's own and by itself, but would also be guided and directed by the primary program we made or put into it... and, it would be building on, and would be using the primary program, or primary code for it's life, becoming something much more complex as it went on...

In a way, biological life, is or are just "machines", or computer intelligence's in a way, just bio-electro-chemical ones instead of mechanical ones... Biological life, is just basically bio-electochemical machines, and DNA is it's primary program...

God Bless!

What is important, is the stories or illustrations or examples in Genesis, and knowing what those are to, or should "mean" to us...

They are (and God considered them to be), much more important to tell us, than actual literal history, or science, or any of mere man's knowledge disciplines...

The question is "why" these were or are considered so very, vitally important above all and anything else, and what we are to "get out of them" or "glean" from them...

What do you think this is, or why this is...?

God Bless!

 

[Brightmoon]

Those stories in genesis are a poetic way of saying that God created everything. Taking them literally only causes and has caused confusion . Since the creation story is told by using folklore patterns( using puns and numerology) I’ve never thought of it as anything but a tale. I certainly don’t think of it as a history. (And as an aside misusing this for centuries to deny women their full civil rights as adults has been horrible )

 

[Neogaia777]

Those stories in genesis are a poetic way of saying that God created everything. Taking them literally only causes and has caused confusion . Since the creation story is told by using folklore patterns( using puns and numerology) I’ve never thought of it as anything but a tale. I certainly don’t think of it as a history. (And as an aside misusing this for centuries to deny women their full civil rights as adults has been horrible )

Why do you think God considered it so very, very important to tell us, and expose us to these stories...?

Why did he consider it "most important" above all and everything else...?

God Bless!

 

[xianghua]

Umm no , after God created animals on 6th Day he created additional ones from ground in garden so Adam could name them .

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Love that God did this so we can destroy that stupid evolution theory about one cell ect . You can clearly see Adam was alive when God created more animals in garden . Also earth is flat with dome you should read genesis more often .

you may interested in this thread too:

the self replicating watch argument

 

[Brightmoon]

Ummm , no!

 

[Brightmoon]

Why do you think God considered it so very, very important to tell us, and expose us to these stories...?

Why did he consider it "most important" above all and everything else...?

God Bless!

God didn’t consider it to be important. People wrote ( and edited and mistranslated and bowdlerized) the Bible

 

[DogmaHunter]

This is basically gonna cause a little bit of controversy. People say things like "God made Evolution" "Evolution doesn't NEED god" "Evolution isn't real." Well, all of those are all kinda wrong except for the first one. God did make all the animals, but not in the way Evolution says. And it's one thing that Darwin states that prevents us from understanding how it works for both science and God. What is the one thing he missed...? It wasn't from ONE kind of cell that it was evolved.

Of course, others may or may not see where i am getting at. Let me explain. Darwin states that our ancestors evolved from one organism and it's children (kinda) changed and evolved.
But, that is the VERY flaw that Darwin got wrong. And to explain this before i say what i mean, let's go to Yellowstone. Over a decade ago, the native wolves were kinda eradicated from the area, and that's where it starts to crumble. The deer over populate, the grass and plantation decreases over time, and everything starts to crumble. It wasn't until the wolves are introduced to Yellowstone again that everything starts to come back into order. Now, back to Evolution.... in order for it all to be explained, there needs to be one thing. Balance. How do we get balance? If there were many different orgnisms made. Before i continue, i must say that our genes are like a book, made of different components. but they were put in perfect order by God, like a writer who made a book. Now then, God most likely made different organisms, and they reproduced to make their own family trees. Like cat trees, dog trees, ape trees, plants trees, and all other species of animal are part of their own individual tree... with the exception of Adam and Eve.

Anyways... that's what I believe evolution is. God's plan to make all animals by making their own biological codes and helps them grow, adapt, and evolve according, then he made humans after all the diverse animals were made.

Anyways, that's enough rambling.

You were right about one thing only: that you were rambling.

Genetics proves you wrong completely. As does the fossil record, for that matter.
What this post shows, is that you have very little knowledge of the processes involved. Likely, that's why think like this. That's fine. There's no shame in being mistaken because of ignorance. There's good news too… Ignorance, is not a desease. It's easy to overcome.

All it takes, is a bit of reading / studying.

So I'll go ahead and advice you to actually inform yourself a bit on the topic. Get a few good books on evolution (from mainstream science authors, actual active evolutionary biologists, not from creationists or other dishonest cdesign proponentsists).

There's more then enough of such excellent books out there.

I could break down your post and correct every single mistake you made and explain how it's wrong... but frankly I don't have the time nore the energy to do so. It would be a loooooong post as well. And I just don't think it would be productive.

You need to read up first.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That is the case. The only issue is what ideals we want running science!

"Rationality", "evidence based", "empirical", "testable", ...

 

[DogmaHunter]

With that, i believe most dinosaurs fit in the reptile family. Why i say that is that repiles have many variants yet similarities. Including size and what they do. I do believe they were made before Man, but died during the great flood.

No such flood has ever occured in earth's history.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So you genuinely consider potatoes to be kin. OK. Guess we better not question your religious beliefs, because you invented a word for grouping potatoes in with man! So we have you, carrots, coyotes, and potatoes all in the same 'group'. youcaryotes.

So, did it make you feel better to pretend that Eukaryotes are an invention?
How do you breath with your head lodged so firmly into the ground?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Just like the mountains of evidence supporting global warming?

Yes.

Although the mountains of evidence in support of evolution are much taller.
Not that the mountains supporting global warming aren't tall enough, off course.

 

[Neogaia777]

God didn’t consider it to be important. People wrote ( and edited and mistranslated and bowdlerized) the Bible

Bull, but whatever... They were under the influence of a/the God and if you do not believe that, nor can see that, then you are "lost"...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Bull, but whatever... They were under the influence of a/the God and if you do not believe that, nor can see that, then you are "lost"...

God Bless!

Even if they are not literal (at least here anyway) then God considered them very, very important, and so should we... But, in what "way"...?

What are the main, general purpose of all "legends" or telling stories to each generation from the previous ones...? It is usually, for one, that they (the people) considered them so very "profound" for one... But, for another, is, as they say is "the moral of", or the "point of the stories"... What is the point and purpose of their/these "illustrations"...?

That point, and those points, in Genesis, are what God felt more important than anything else he could possibly tell us, and ours, is to figure out "why"...?

Why were they, or what makes them, "that important"...?

God Bless!

 

[dad]

"Rationality", "evidence based", "empirical", "testable", ...

It is not rational to deny evidences and make stuff up. It is not evidence when all you do is soil evidences with beliefs. It could not be empirical dealing with an unknown And you cannot test the former nature or the future. Nor can you test time in the far universe. All your criteria are blasted to smithereens.

 

[dad]

So, did it make you feel better to pretend that Eukaryotes are an invention?
How do you breath with your head lodged so firmly into the ground?

Fossils are not inventions. What is invented is what they came from or produced.