What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[Albion]

You don't read much Scripture do you?

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you on that one. Go to the Bible, and find us evidence of all the critical activities that Mary is recorded in scripture as having engaged in during the time after Christ's birth. It'll take a while to find much and you'll discover that she was a bystander in almost every instance.

 

[Erose]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you on that one. Go to the Bible, and find us evidence of all the critical activities that Mary is recorded in scripture as having engaged in during the time after Christ's birth. It'll take a while to find much and you'll discover that she was a bystander in almost every instance.

Was not all bystanders in the Gospel Albion? She obviously was there at Jesus' birth and his first 30 years on earth. She was there at his first public miracle and she was even the one who requested it of Him. She was there at his death. She was there at the Church's birth. You may think that it is insignificant that she is the ONLY human person at every single significant moment in her Son's life. These things you guys seem to forget in your overwhelming desire to belittle the mother of the Lord.

 

[Albion]

Was not all bystanders in the Gospel Albion?

No.

She obviously was there at Jesus' birth and his first 30 years on earth.

Yes. That's what we said. The supposed "Queen of Heaven," Co-redeemer of the world, ever-virgin, born immaculately, etc. etc. was...there.

And that's about all that can be said.

 

[Pteriax]

So bowing or kneeling before someone is not worship, while bowing or kneeling before something is? What a very inconsistent point of view. Maybe this type of thought process prevents you from being able to defend your own posts.

That is not what I said, I bow to no man. But you gave examples that did not relate to what you were defending, which is idolatry by the way.

 

[tadoflamb]

Actually, I take it to mean that she was blessed among all women to have begotten our Savior, Him who made all things. She will always be considered blessed. There is nothing in the Scriptures telling us to worship her. In reality, there is very little mentioned about her beyond His birth.

Not considered blessed, called blessed. Will you now call the Blessed Virgin Mary blessed?


And Jesus said to his beloved disciple from the cross (who with the Blessed Mother was just a bystander) "Behold your mother". Another imperative from the Sacred Scriptures protestants have chosen to ignore (except around Christmas when they get out their nativity sets).

 

[Root of Jesse]

Wonder what the ratio of Mary statues is compared to statues of Jesus in Roman Catholicism.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7073498-4/

Catholic view of statues







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Every Catholic Church has a statue of Jesus, at least one. Some several. There's one Catholic Church two blocks from my house that has four. Not every Catholic Church has a statue of Mary. Any other questions?

 

[Root of Jesse]

If you dont then why bow infront of a statue to pray?Why not just pray without images?I ean do YOU REALLY need a statue to pray...like ch...

There is nothing that says that we must bow or kneel in front of a statue to pray.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Isn't the Catholic religion considered a different religion? Like Islam took bits and pieces from the Bible and created their distortion, the Catholics took bits and pieces too and comprised their own religion.

The church in the Bible started @33 A.D. Apostacy was foretold and started happening thereafter.

That's the Catholic Church. You're right, apostasy was foretold, but Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church in all Truth.

 

[Root of Jesse]

No. False because the person I was responding to did not read all of my posts and so didn't really know what I was talking about. And I would not justify that kind of action today, since it's not mandatory to be Catholic anymore.

Actually, it was Jesus mandate to be Catholic-to be part of the universal Church He instituted...

 

[Root of Jesse]

What "Church"

The Church is the body of believers not a physical building like the RCC wants you to think. The Church would never fall into Apostacy according to Matthew 16:18. Im guessing your a Jehovahs witness or something?

Can you quote a doctrine where the Catholic Church says that the Church is a building?

 

[Root of Jesse]

This has to be the weakest argument I have ever heard. Oh im sorry i didnt realize praying a rosary and bowing to statue of her is consiered calling her blessed. Protestants do CALL HER BLESSED. They dont stress on importance on her as much as Jesus. Sorry truth hurts.

You don't call her much more than Mary. Her name, for us is the Blessed Virgin...

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yea just having fun. At least I don't think the old burnin alive stuff was a good thing. Or the rack brother tazomo? How about the ..... Iron maiden? Or it was against the law to take a bath in the 6th century by decree of the pope lol - name of the rose - favorite movie.

How about the Protestant burning of witches??? Pope cannot decree against taking a bath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Wonder what the ratio of Mary statues is compared to statues of Jesus in Roman Catholicism.
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Every Catholic Church has a statue of Jesus, at least one. Some several. There's one Catholic Church two blocks from my house that has four.
Not every Catholic Church has a statue of Mary. Any other questions?

Ahhh thanks, tho I found that a little difficult to believe since she is as much revered as is Jesus in Catholicism.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=revere&t=NIV&sf=5
"revere"
occurs 17 times in 17 verses

1Pe 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord.
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.
But do this with gentleness and respect,

Rev 11:18
The nations were angry and Thy wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead and for rewarding your servants the prophets and Thy people, who revere Thy name, both great and small-- and destroying those who are corrupting the land."



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[Root of Jesse]

Actually, it is very accurate.

The idea of that duration of time being somehow "less civilized" with the Fall of Rome until the Renaissance or somehow "darker" than the "light" associated with the Renaissance is unfounded. It was a period of time that, while the Latin Roman Empire fell, there were many advances that occurred in the new vacuum. Even and especially in Christianity, knowledge in the Latin West was never truly lost thanks to the monasteries, and new ways of explaining classic theologies budded very fruitfully during the time.

Innovation never ceased as well. Trade was ever on the increase (Silk Road anyone?) and the guilds that would help empower the Merchantile and Industrial Revolution found their beginnings in this time too.

Rome may have fallen, but Western and Central Europe was hardly in the shambles that some may think it was. And quite honestly, the Renaissance is a bit of a misnomer anyhow and had its own share of "dark" times.

It was called the Dark Ages because of the invasion of the barbarians. That's not to say that cultural development didn't happen during that time.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Is there a point?

 

[Root of Jesse]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call you on that one. Go to the Bible, and find us evidence of all the critical activities that Mary is recorded in scripture as having engaged in during the time after Christ's birth. It'll take a while to find much and you'll discover that she was a bystander in almost every instance.

Let's see...Jesus' birth, the intercession of Mary at the wedding feast at Cana, at the foot of the Cross, and at least one more, in Revelation 12.

 

[Root of Jesse]

No.


Yes. That's what we said. The supposed "Queen of Heaven," Co-redeemer of the world, ever-virgin, born immaculately, etc. etc. was...there.

And that's about all that can be said.

Revelation 12 shows her as crowned. She's in heaven because she's sinless. Ever-virgin, because there's no account of her having had other children.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Ahhh thanks, tho I found that a little difficult to believe since she is as much revered as is Jesus in Catholicism.

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for NIV
"revere"
occurs 17 times in 17 verses

1Pe 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord.
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.
But do this with gentleness and respect,

Rev 11:18
The nations were angry and Thy wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead and for rewarding your servants the prophets and Thy people, who revere Thy name, both great and small-- and destroying those who are corrupting the land."



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Have you ever been in a Catholic Church that didn't have a Crucifix or a statue of the Resurrected Christ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Revelation 12 shows her as crowned. She's in heaven because she's sinless. Ever-virgin, because there's no account of her having had other children.

Is that the view of mainstream Christianity today, including the EOC?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7636710-2/
Revelation 12 and Mary Orthodox view

Originally Posted by buzuxi02

The connection of the Theotokos with the vision of Rev 12, tends to be a later development, post Ephesus.
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In the 5th century after the Virgin Mary was officially granted the dogmatic title of Theotokos more people began pondering the role of Mary in the Church, this coincided with the book of Revelation being more and more accepted in the east.

The biggest problem with viewing Rev 12 with the Theotokos is verse 2:
'Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.'

This verse goes against Orthodox teaching where we are taught that Christ spared her from the curse of old. The early Fathers interpreted the woman to be the church.

St Hippolytus commenting:
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[Erose]

No.

Who of the faithful did more in the gospels than Mary Albion? Hum?

Yes. That's what we said.

The supposed "Queen of Heaven,"

So you don't believe that Jesus is King?

Co-redeemer of the world,

That is not what the understanding of Co-redemptrix refers to, Albion. Co-Redemptrix refers to her necessary roll in bring Christ into the World so He can redeem it. Without her saying "Yes", we have no redeemer. Without no human mother, God does not become man.

ever-virgin,

Yes I get it, you don't believe that Jesus was born of a Virgin.

born immaculately, etc. etc. was...there.

Was she not Full of Grace?

And that's about all that can be said.

I doubt it.