What errors and inventions arose in Roman Catholicism?

[intojoy]

No, it isn't, and to suggest it is would be a violation of point 3 under Flaming and Harassment hereat CF.

The wicked flee when no man persueth but the righteous haven't even read any of those rules

 

[MoreCoffee]

Not true. Even the PC types who don't like the term "Dark Ages" know that the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages don't refer to the same time period.

Oh, the dark ages. That refers to the entire period of time when Catholicism ruled the world circa 400 - 1700s? Dark = Catholic Reign (in my theology)

Straight from the mouth of the poster who made the comment about dark ages.

But it is all kind of silly.

 

[intojoy]

Straight from the mouth of the poster who made the comment about dark ages.

But it is all kind of silly.

Yea felt a little loney so I'm reaching out the best way I know how, messin with Catholics don't mind me.

 

[Albion]

Straight from the mouth of the poster who made the comment about dark ages.

But it is all kind of silly.

I can't say I know what either of you are talking about there. I just know the difference between the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages.

 

[Tzaousios]

Yea just having fun. At least I don't think the old burnin alive stuff was a good thing. Or the rack brother tazomo? How about the ..... Iron maiden? Or it was against the law to take a bath in the 6th century by decree of the pope lol - name of the rose - favorite movie.

If this was not bordering on solipsism, I would say you came in here just to try to derail for no apparent reason whatsoever.

 

[ViaCrucis]

No, protestants don't even call the Blessed Mother 'blessed' as the Sacred Scriptures say all generations will do.

Strange for a group of people who claim to hold the bible in such high esteem.

This Protestant does.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Sasquatchit]

If you dont then why bow infront of a statue to pray?Why not just pray without images?I ean do YOU REALLY need a statue to pray...like ch...

This is sacreligious and idolatrous!!!!!

This is very much against sound doctrine; this is NOT scriptural. There is nothing in God's word telling us to bow down to a pope, a priest, or any such person, much less to Mary...in the form of worshipping them.

 

[Albion]

No, protestants don't even call the Blessed Mother 'blessed' as the Sacred Scriptures say all generations will do.

It doesn't say they'll call her "Blessed Mother."

 

[Tzaousios]

Oh, the dark ages. That refers to the entire period of time when Catholicism ruled the world circa 400 - 1700s? Dark = Catholic Reign (in my theology)

As MoreCoffee mentioned, "Dark Ages" is nothing more than a pejorative term that is not used any longer to describe the European Middle Ages.

 

[Albion]

As MoreCoffee mentioned, "Dark Ages" is nothing more than a pejorative term that is not used any longer to describe the European Middle Ages.

That's nonsense.

 

[intojoy]

If this was not bordering on solipsism, I would say you came in here just to try to derail for no apparent reason whatsoever.

First of all why would you respond to the OP which is offensive to Catholics? Do you really think anyone on either side of the fence will change their opinions? I know you won't. Why fake civility then? Blast it right between the eyes, that's how I like it. It livens up the morgue of a thread going on here. Now if I thought the thread was intended to save the Catholics from doctrinal heresies then yes, absolutely I would be a jerk for acting up because there is always the need to share the truth in love. That's not what's happening here by going post vs post. Derailing what? Nothing edifying happening here friend I'm just revealing the true feelings from the side I happen to believe in, that Catholicism is guilty for much evil throughout history. You want me to name the atrocities? Nope. God will name them for you at the great white throne judgment.

 

[Tzaousios]

That's nonsense.

We have had this discussion before. I understand that for some reason you feel the need to cling to the term. Why was it, because someone snuffed out a candle? Because there was no Protestantism? What?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Oh, the dark ages. That refers to the entire period of time when Catholicism ruled the world circa 400 - 1700s? Dark = Catholic Reign (in my theology)

The dark ages traditionally refers to the period in Western Europe between the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century roughly until the crowning of Charlemagne in the year 800. Though I've also seen it refer as extending to the Scholastic Period when classical literature was re-introduced into Western Europe by the Arabs.

"The Dark Ages" were so-called because for a very long time there was little documentation of the period. This is the same reason why historians speak of the "Greek Dark Ages", the few centuries prior to Homer where there is scarce historical documentation, and thus we are largely in the dark.

Since historians today (and for a rather long time now) have a pretty solid grasp on the history of the period, the term "Dark Ages" is generally considered antiquated and archaic; it simply isn't an accurate descriptor of the period since the period isn't dark, we know what was going on in the period, and there is plenty of source material to work with.

Any other definition of "The Dark Ages" isn't worth considering since it has nothing to do with the discipline of historians. Your personal opinion on the matter is, to put it bluntly, moot. Historians deal in facts, not truthiness.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Tzaousios]

Nothing edifying happening here friend I'm just revealing the true feelings from the side I happen to believe in, that Catholicism is guilty for much evil throughout history. You want me to name the atrocities? Nope. God will name them for you at the great white throne judgment.

And this accomplishes nothing that you wanted it to. Did you miss the several pages where I brought up the "atrocities?" It appears that you did because it would not permit you to continue to view the Protestant Reformation as some kind of utopia full of fuzzy rabbits and puppy dogs.

 

[Tzaousios]

That's nonsense.

What about intojoy's attempt at a definition, is it also nonsense or do you wish to pledge your support to it. It appears that I am just going to have to post "I wonder if Albion noticed this" again when people only use it as a pejorative term to denigrate Catholicism.

 

[Albion]

The dark ages traditionally refers to the period in Western Europe between the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century roughly until the crowning of Charlemagne in the year 800. Though I've also seen it refer as extending to the Scholastic Period when classical literature was re-introduced into Western Europe by the Arabs.

"The Dark Ages" were so-called because for a very long time there was little documentation of the period. This is the same reason why historians speak of the "Greek Dark Ages", the few centuries prior to Homer where there is scarce historical documentation, and thus we are largely in the dark.

Since historians today (and for a rather long time now) have a pretty solid grasp on the history of the period, the term "Dark Ages" is generally considered antiquated and archaic; it simply isn't an accurate descriptor of the period since the period isn't dark, we know what was going on in the period, and there is plenty of source material to work with.

Any other definition of "The Dark Ages" isn't worth considering since it has nothing to do with the discipline of historians. Your personal opinion on the matter is, to put it bluntly, moot. Historians deal in facts, not truthiness.

-CryptoLutheran

Nice treatment of the subject!

 

[PaladinValer]

That's nonsense.

Actually, it is very accurate.

The idea of that duration of time being somehow "less civilized" with the Fall of Rome until the Renaissance or somehow "darker" than the "light" associated with the Renaissance is unfounded. It was a period of time that, while the Latin Roman Empire fell, there were many advances that occurred in the new vacuum. Even and especially in Christianity, knowledge in the Latin West was never truly lost thanks to the monasteries, and new ways of explaining classic theologies budded very fruitfully during the time.

Innovation never ceased as well. Trade was ever on the increase (Silk Road anyone?) and the guilds that would help empower the Merchantile and Industrial Revolution found their beginnings in this time too.

Rome may have fallen, but Western and Central Europe was hardly in the shambles that some may think it was. And quite honestly, the Renaissance is a bit of a misnomer anyhow and had its own share of "dark" times.

 

[Tzaousios]

Nice treatment of the subject!

So it would have to identify where the term is used in the pejorative for the "nice treatment" suddenly to turn to a "nonsense treatment?"

 

[Albion]

Actually, it is very accurate.

No, it's not. Calling it "nothing more than a pejorative term that is not used any longer to describe the European Middle Ages" is wrong in several ways. So let's call it silly, if nonsense seems too strong.

 

[PaladinValer]

No, it's not. Calling it "nothing more than a pejorative term that is not used any longer to describe the European Middle Ages" is wrong in several ways. So let's call it silly, if nonsense seems too strong.

Not according to the historians I studied under, nor the wider community of historians.