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I dont believe they refer a holy site as the "queen of Heaven"
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN...that they may provoke me to anger Jeremiah 7:18
Whatever, all I know is that I dont need a rosary or a pope to be saved, only Jesus
Now I have looked at your image pretty close. I see no one making cake.
And the killing of a person for the sake of a different belief is justifiable if "they did it first"?
Not the Christianity Christ taught.
This all reminds me of a certain DS9 episode; episode 13 in the first season named "Battle Lines". Sisco and Opaka, the Kai (pope-like figure) of the Bajoran religion find themselves on a world where factions fight on such old hatreds that they have rationalized to the point of eternal, bloody war; one they are doomed to face as punishment due to their unceasing conflict. Only thing is, they never permanently die since an aberration of nanotechnology allows the people to never truly stay dead and they resuscitate. Sisco can return, but Opaka, being killed by accident once, is unable to.
Her difference is that she chooses to attempt, however difficult, to reconcile the two factions.
The point is, those who keep to the old hatreds are the ones who tend to repeat them. So, truly, who is in the moral right? Is it the factions? Or the individuals who keep the hatreds running hot?
The Vatican Catholic Church has blood on it. So does the Eastern Orthodox Church...so does my Anglican Church...so does Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, and every other group. We meet as equals in this regard. The only smart ones are those who accept this truth and attempt what the Kai did. Those who don't, well, live in their own hell.
Sadly, the choice is never one's own. One choice affects the whole of creation; we see this in science, we see this in history, and we see this in our Christian theology. A pity we cannot blast them all off to such a planet; it seems like a rather good solution.
And the killing of a person for the sake of a different belief is justifiable if "they did it first"?
Not the Christianity Christ taught.
This all reminds me of a certain DS9 episode; episode 13 in the first season named "Battle Lines". Sisco and Opaka, the Kai (pope-like figure) of the Bajoran religion find themselves on a world where factions fight on such old hatreds that they have rationalized to the point of eternal, bloody war; one they are doomed to face as punishment due to their unceasing conflict. Only thing is, they never permanently die since an aberration of nanotechnology allows the people to never truly stay dead and they resuscitate. Sisco can return, but Opaka, being killed by accident once, is unable to.
Her difference is that she chooses to attempt, however difficult, to reconcile the two factions.
The point is, those who keep to the old hatreds are the ones who tend to repeat them. So, truly, who is in the moral right? Is it the factions? Or the individuals who keep the hatreds running hot?
The Vatican Catholic Church has blood on it. So does the Eastern Orthodox Church...so does my Anglican Church...so does Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, and every other group. We meet as equals in this regard. The only smart ones are those who accept this truth and attempt what the Kai did. Those who don't, well, live in their own hell.
Sadly, the choice is never one's own. One choice affects the whole of creation; we see this in science, we see this in history, and we see this in our Christian theology. A pity we cannot blast them all off to such a planet; it seems like a rather good solution.
It was a war, as I said. I support whatever needed to happen to win it. People die in war. I am glad the reformation happened, and if a war was the only way to bring it about, then it was a good thing, just as the destruction of Nineveh was a good thing.
Indeed; while there were abuses in the Catholic Church, and certain Confessional groups believe that there are some that still persist; Protestantism is certainly not "the" immaculate reincarnation of the Church that so many of them seem to teach and believe. Likewise many protestants speak and post as though they, not the Pope is infallible in what they do and what they teach (they must be because every one else is always wrong).
...Speaking of course, as a fallible Lutheran and as a poor miserable sinner redeemed by Christ.
At this time they didnt have a rosary so..........
I'm pretty sure calling Mary a Co-redemptrix and praying to her is a problem. Just my opinion though
It was a war, and the salvation of many was at stake. I have no problem with how it happened.
No question of justice? No qualifications of any kind?It was a war, as I said. I support whatever needed to happen to win it.
Wasn't it the pagan armies of Babylon that destroyed Nineveh? One world power supplanted by the next. One pagan empire replaced by another. Is that how the 'reformation' worked?People die in war. I am glad the reformation happened, and if a war was the only way to bring it about, then it was a good thing, just as the destruction of Nineveh was a good thing.
Isn't it a matter of perspective that drives who one thinks was right and who wrong? It surely is not objective to say "protestants were right and catholics wrong".Of course, although I consider it a war. Who struck first doesn't matter. They were in the right, the Catholics were in the wrong.
In the old testament it is God's direct commands that are alleged as justification for war. Which of the reformers was a prophet of God? This is a rhetorical question whose answer is "none".How often does God condone war in the Bible?
What about Mennonites, Amish, and multitudes of people who refuse to war against others for conscience's sake?A lot, as I recall, when done for the right reasons. In fact the only people who are really pacifists that claim to be Christian as far as I know are the JWs, and that's a cult.
Like the divine right of kings was ordained by God?...
I answered. I approve of what happened. I am glad it happened. It needed to happen. It was justified and in my opinion ordained by God.
Weren't the wars in the old testament commanded by God? A prophet or another person led by God calling for war?And it was not so different from similar events in the OT. A lot of people would not have salvation if it had not happened. There was no peaceful way to make it happen. How much more clear can I make it?
Isn't it a matter of perspective that drives who one thinks was right and who wrong? It surely is not objective to say "protestants were right and catholics wrong". In the old testament it is God's direct commands that are alleged as justification for war. Which of the reformers was a prophet of God? This is a rhetorical question whose answer is "none". What about Mennonites, Amish, and multitudes of people who refuse to war against others for conscience's sake?
You can add Quakers to that list.
Betcha he also gets all warm and fuzzy when he reads about Hugonots (French Calvinists) burning Catholics too. Just makes one proud to be Protestant eh?
Lol, your a Lutheran this is SO IRONIC. I bet you get all warm and fuzzy when you read about people getting burned at the stake by Catholics trying to translate the Bible into english. Oh wait no you cant it would be so ironic since your Lutheran......................
I did not have enough space to type it out, so I posted the videos. I know it's about twenty hours of material, but it thoroughly covers the topic. I have watched them all through completely.
Lol, your a Lutheran this is SO IRONIC. I bet you get all warm and fuzzy when you read about people getting burned at the stake by Catholics trying to translate the Bible into english. Oh wait no you cant it would be so ironic since your Lutheran......................
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