What else do you believe? (Creationists only please)

[Notedstrangeperson]

I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming is a real phenomenon.
- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
- The world is a sphere.
- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.

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EDIT: The same thread in the Society section. Read if you're interested.

 

[Papias]

'could have also added birthers, truthers, and those who believe the rapture will be tomorrow, by 2014, by 2030, by 2050, etc.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

'could have also added birthers, truthers, and those who believe the rapture will be tomorrow, by 2014, by 2030, by 2050, etc.

9/11 Truthers? Drat! I knew I forgot something.

 

[Biblewriter]

I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming is a real phenomenon.
- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
- The world is a sphere.
- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.

Lumping Global Warming with these other items is ridiculous.

The evidence for Global Warming is contested, And the leaked e-mails clearly indicate, if not absolutely proving, that Global Warming "scientists" have been willfully suppressing contrary evidence.
contrary evidence.

Hundreds of scientists have signed a document claiming Global Warming has been proved, but more than ten times as many scientists have signed a similar document saying they do not accept this as fact.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Biblewriter: I made this poll to see if Creationists reject others beliefs which are considered true by the general population and / or the experts (by they biologists, historians, doctors etc.).

Obviously global warming is much more debatable than the Holocaust, but as I said I only made it to see if are more skeptible about topics other than evolution. I didn't mean to suggest people who think global warming is untrue are as bad as Nazi sympathisers.

 

[mark kennedy]

I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming is a real phenomenon.

Yes, it's clear that the ice caps are melting but how much we are contributing to it remains debatable. Don't get me wrong, if you ever stood ten miles from a mountain in LA that you couldn't see for the smog it would be easy to see the pollution is contributing.

- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.

Well over course vaccinations are helpful, don't know of any creationists that are denying that.

- The world is a sphere.

No one has debated that in hundreds of years.

- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).

That is undeniable and as a matter of fact, we know a lot about that from the Nazi records.

- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.

I was into the UFO thing when I was a teenager. Still nurse an interest from time to time but I have yet to see anything indicating we have been visited by aliens.

Now for a few questions for you, do you deny:

• The incarnation, resurrection, ascension or the soon return of Christ?
• The healing of leapers, blind and crippled in the New Testament?
• The literal fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in the person and work of Christ?
• That Adam and Eve were our first parents and that we are sinners because of them?

You like coming in here and mocking Bible believing Christians? Answer a few questions of mine, lets see where you stand on real theological issues.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[Smidlee]

Here's my thoughts

- Global Warming is a real joke .
Only people living in ease worry about GM while rest of us has other matters to worry about.

- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
Only if they are intelligent designed

- The world is a sphere.
The "flat earth" is a myth itself. So I don't believe in the "flat earth myth" that sailors in the past believed if they went out too far in the ocean they would fall off the planet.

- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
Natural (artificial?) selection. If man is responsible for global warming then Hitler had the answer, wipe out most of the world's population in order to save the world's resources for "most-fit" of human race. We are entering in the time where the world's population is rapidly draining the world's resources especially after industrializing a nation with 2 billion people. In the next few years we are going to enter into a world's energy crisis (there aren't enough resources to meet the ever growing demand). We are already feeling the effects of this.

- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.
Couldn't angels be considered aliens? ... not of this world?

 

[juvenissun]

I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming is a real phenomenon.
- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
- The world is a sphere.
- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.

The vaccine and the aliens are a little gray. The answers could be both yes and no.

The reason is the same for both: we do not know.

 

[theFijian]

• The incarnation, resurrection, ascension or the soon return of Christ?
• The healing of leapers, blind and crippled in the New Testament?
• The literal fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in the person and work of Christ?
• That Adam and Eve were our first parents and that we are sinners because of them?

I get 3.5 out of 4. Are we sinners because of Adam and Eve? or just because of Adam?

 

[mindlight]

I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming is a real phenomenon.
- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
- The world is a sphere.
- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.

As a Creationist who believes the Bible says God created quite recently I clicked "none of the above" and to be honest its a little nutty to buy into any of the above.

 

[mindlight]

The incarnation, resurrection, ascension or the soon return of Christ?

Believe all of those and the first two especially are actually essential to be a Christian.

The healing of leapers, blind and crippled in the New Testament?

Jesus did some scientifically impossible miracles e.g. with withered hands etc. Believe the Biblical account on miracles.

The literal fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in the person and work of Christ?

All will eventually be fulfilled in Jesus but some were not completely fulfilled in the first coming.

That Adam and Eve were our first parents and that we are sinners because of them?

Adam and Eve are the first man and first woman and we are all descended from them. We inherit sin and a sinful world from them and are vulnerable to a demonic realm because of these sins. But I also have made my own contributions to this awful mess which Jesus alone is capable of cleaning up.

 

[mindlight]

Couldn't angels be considered aliens? ... not of this world?

And demons also?

 

[theFijian]

Adam and Eve are the first man and first woman and we are all descended from them. We inherit sin and a sinful world from them

Where does this idea that we inherited sin from Eve come from? I can't find it anywhere on the New Testament, in fact Paul seems to specifically exclude Eve.

 

[mark kennedy]

Where does this idea that we inherited sin from Eve come from? I can't find it anywhere on the New Testament, in fact Paul seems to specifically exclude Eve.

Eve cannot be excluded, he named her mother of all living. It simply fascinates me how TEs can ask rhetorical questions like this.

According to Paul:

Sin came as the result of, 'many died by the trespass of the one man' (Rom. 5:15), 'judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation' (Rom. 5:16), the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man (Rom. 5:17), 'just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men' (Rom. 5:18), 'through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners' (Rom. 5:19).​

Adam didn't make children from clay, he fathered them through Eve. This isn't a difficult concept to wrap your mind around, let's cut to the chase, what's you point?

 

[theFijian]

Eve cannot be excluded, he named her mother of all living. It simply fascinates me how TEs can ask rhetorical questions like this.

According to Paul:

Sin came as the result of, 'many died by the trespass of the one man' (Rom. 5:15), 'judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation' (Rom. 5:16), the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man (Rom. 5:17), 'just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men' (Rom. 5:18), 'through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners' (Rom. 5:19).​

Adam didn't make children from clay, he fathered them through Eve. This isn't a difficult concept to wrap your mind around, let's cut to the chase, what's you point?

Where is Eve named in that verse you quoted? Is she that 'one man'?

 

[mark kennedy]

Believe all of those and the first two especially are actually essential to be a Christian.

You wouldn't have to believe in the 'soon return of Christ', necessarily?

Jesus did some scientifically impossible miracles e.g. with withered hands etc. Believe the Biblical account on miracles.

What about the ones described in the books of Moses?

All will eventually be fulfilled in Jesus but some were not completely fulfilled in the first coming.

Really? I struggled with that one for a while.

Adam and Eve are the first man and first woman and we are all descended from them. We inherit sin and a sinful world from them and are vulnerable to a demonic realm because of these sins. But I also have made my own contributions to this awful mess which Jesus alone is capable of cleaning up.

Amen.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

Where is Eve named in that verse you quoted? Is she that 'one man'?

We all came from Adam, even Eve. The problem for you is that you would have to take what the Scriptures say literally.

 

[theFijian]

We all came from Adam, even Eve. The problem for you is that you would have to take what the Scriptures say literally.

Rather the problem is that reading the passages expounding Original Sin in the New Testament literally, I see plenty of references to Adam yet literally zero pertaining to Eve. Why does Paul not mention Eve in Romans for instance? Why doe he keep saying sin came through (literally) one man?

 

[mindlight]

Where does this idea that we inherited sin from Eve come from? I can't find it anywhere on the New Testament, in fact Paul seems to specifically exclude Eve.

Eve did sin. If she did not she would not have received the penalty for sins and the extra pains of childbirth and a more oppressive relationship with her husband that were given her.

But Eves sin is different from Adams. She sinned out of ignorance and because she was led astray (1 Tim 2:14, 2 Cor 11:3) and because she did not respect her husband sufficiently and the prohibition that he had placed on her regarding the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. She thought that it would benefit him to eat (Genesis 3 v 6) and thereby disregarded the words he had told her God gave him about that tree.

Gods punishment to her fits her crime

Because she defied her husband and was easily led astray and deceived he will dominate her. Because she ate the apple she will die.

But because she did not directly defy God she is the recipient of the first promise- e.g. of the Messiah. So hope for the future and the mercy of God comes through her. (1 Tim 1 v 13)

Adams sin is more serious because God gave him the words directly and in joining with his wife in her sin he directly defied God.

 

[mindlight]

You wouldn't have to believe in the 'soon return of Christ', necessarily?

The bible says that Jesus will return , but noone knows the day or the hour of that return. But I do not think belief in the second coming is essential to salvation even though in a way it is a logical follow on from doctrines that are e.g. that Christ came in the flesh to man, and that Jesus died and rose again from the dead.

What about the ones described in the books of Moses?

I believe all the BIble accounts about miracles pretty much as they are written, so the parting of the Red Sea and feeding of more than 600,000 people in the desert for 40 years for instance would be among these.

Really? I struggled with that one for a while.

OT prophecy requires interpretation and not all can be simply adopted by the church as their own e.g. specific promises made to specific descendants of Abraham regarding the land of Israel. Also there were initial fulfilments of the servant of God (e.g. Israel) prophecies before they were fulfilled in Christ. But this is a massive topic.