What does worship have to do with science?

[Hans Blaster]

There is nothing that feels as good as worship and praise.

If you say so. What ever trips your fancy. I found nothing that gave me the "feels" about worship and praise. (I also don't like receiving it either.) I generally find "worship and praise" to be undignified actions to take.

Even the LOA people say you have to draw positive energy out of your voltex.

I don't know who LOA people are, but I keep only negative energy in my voltex.

Motivational speakers talk about the same positive vibes and the advantage that has for our health and performance.'

What is this a Beach Boys song? Humans are so susceptible to con artists aren't they?

You will never convince me that negative energy, being critical and grumpy all the time has any advantage at all.

I'm not trying to convince you to be grumpy. I don't know what any of this has to do with science.

I would never ever want to go back to living a life apart from God. The very definition of hell is separation from God. I would never ever want to go back to living that way.

People can do what they want. All we can so is show them a better way and then that have to decide if that is in their best interest and right for them. I am just glade they were able to convince me to get saved and become a Christian.

Whatever floats your boat. I just don't care.

 

[Diamond72]

Humans are so susceptible to con artists aren't they?

My dad had 16 certificates and degrees in hypnosis. I gave them to the historical society. You are misinformed because you cannot con people who do not want to be conned. Doctors and dentists do use hypnosis, the power of suggestion, and the power of positive thinking in their practice. I am not always an easy patient and sometimes they have to calm me down before I allow them to perform a procedure.

I don't know what any of this has to do with science.

Mostly I am here to use Science or the Scientific method to show that the Bible is true. If you are here to use science to show me the Bible is not true. You have failed to do that. The best you can do is build a strawman and falsify yourself and your own argument. We can go on for eternity and infinity to show truth in the Bible and you are totally empty handed and can show us nothing to support your claims.

The day well come when you will be called to give an account of your life. I hope by then you learn how to represent yourself and plead your cause. They are keeping a record of everything you say, think or do. Or do you want to try to claim there is no justice and people are getting away with what they are doing? Then you can add yourself to the ranks of the lawless. The prisons are filled with people who thought they could get away with something. That does not seem to have worked out very well for them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

My dad had 16 certificates and degrees in hypnosis. I gave them to the historical society. You are misinformed because you cannot con people who do not want to be conned. Doctors and dentists do use hypnosis, the power of suggestion, and the power of positive thinking in their practice. I am not always an easy patient and sometimes they have to calm me down before I allow them to perform a procedure.

Conning people and hypnotizing them are not the same thing.

Mostly I am here to use Science or the Scientific method to show that the Bible is true.

I've seen you try a couple times.

If you are here to use science to show me the Bible is not true. You have failed to do that.

That's not why I'm here. I've been here long before you joined.

The best you can do is build a strawman and falsify yourself and your own argument. We can go on for eternity and infinity to show truth in the Bible and you are totally empty handed and can show us nothing to support your claims.

When you detail specific claims that have contact with science, I have addressed them, but this thread and your OP don't have anything to do with science.

The day well come when you will be called to give an account of your life. I hope by then you learn how to represent yourself and plead your cause. They are keeping a record of everything you say, think or do. Or do you want to try to claim there is no justice and people are getting away with what they are doing? Then you can add yourself to the ranks of the lawless. The prisons are filled with people who thought they could get away with something. That does not seem to have worked out very well for them.

Your empty threats mean nothing to me old man.

 

[Diamond72]

Your empty threats mean nothing to me old man.

Now you want to be disrespectful. Usually, that is what people resort to when they know they are losing the debate and they don't have even a wooden leg to stand on.

 

[Diamond72]

Suppose you see a beautiful bird in your back yard and are impressed and amazed at it. That's doesn't mean you worshipped the bird.

We give thanks, praise and adoration to the God who created the bird. For all the good He has done.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Now you want to be disrespectful. Usually, that is what people resort to when they know they are losing the debate and they don't have even a wooden leg to stand on.

You were the one throwing around empty threats. If you'd stick to the topic of the thread and board you wouldn't get these kinds of push backs.

 

[Diamond72]

You were the one throwing around empty threats. If you'd stick to the topic of the thread and board you wouldn't get these kinds of push backs.

When a fault is committed, the opposing team is awarded a point, and the next serve goes to them. So there is simply no advantage in that for you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

When a fault is committed, the opposing team is awarded a point, and the next serve goes to them. So there is simply no advantage in that for you.

I don't know what sport you think we are playing, but your vague references to "they" keeping track of everything and the lawless and prison, etc., have no place in *any* conversation we could have here. You have no basis to think I am engaged in anything criminal, nor any good reason to suggest so. Please discontinue.

 

[Diamond72]

, have no place in *any* conversation we could have here.

Your comment has no place in this conversation. You need to learn how to behave yourself.

 

[Halbhh]

I was thinking at one point that when we put together 2 things that are not about each other -- science and faith (not 2 birds of the same kind) -- then while there are also possible interesting topics such as about how faith and science might relate or more on how they might or have, etc. --- that's mostly in discussion then a religious/theological topic, and not a science topic.

Or....the OP could be just about (as I first read it to be) making the distinction that the 2 (science and faith) are really distinct and naturally unrelated generally...

I'm thinking in the OP post you are trying to help some religious people that come to the science forum area understand exactly that point -- science and faith are 2 separate topics, not related -- so you put the OP here (in the science forum) in order to talk to those people that don't make good distinctions on that.

Kudos on that goal, and the OP then. (which I rated 'winner' as soon as I read it many days ago)

Still, past the OP, naturally after that it's inevitable that eventually there will be discussion about religion itself, rather than about what the OP says, of course....and that this thread would end up in argument about religion just really does seem inevitable in my view. That's why I wrote at one point about to suggest it belonged in a different forum area. But I can see how it has a good goal here in this subforum, even despite the inevitable arguing about religion that would arise.

 

[Diamond72]

science and faith (not 2 birds of the same kind)

There is no connection between science and faith. A lot of the Bible is based on Science or History. When we know that is true, then we can have faith that the parts we cannot prove are true.

Maybe I am wasting my time because we do need to have faith to be saved. Does it really matter if people accept the historical and scientific based parts of the Bible?

 

[Halbhh]

True science is agnostic. They are open to any and all possibilities and they go where the evidence leads them.

Yes, that's right, and if you try, it's easy to find objective science reports that only report actual evidence and theories that don't have a non-scientific spin like a political or religious or anti-religious agendas added on or as an extra goal/motivation...

Every day hundreds of excellent real science reports come out.

They don't have a slant. For example, they aren't including any wording to attempt to suggest God doesn't exist, etc. or that Democrats are evil, or that Republicans are holy or evil, that Brazilians are sub human (ok, I'm getting hyperbolic, but you get the idea -- real science, not with a political style editorial opinion tacked on....)

 

[Diamond72]

real science, not with a political style

Science does not lead itself to Political statements. Look at the last two presidential elections. According to the scientific polls, Hillary was the clear winner. Turned out otherwise. Trump was to be a shoe in over Bidden and that did not turn out either. It has been said that Science Fiction is a better predictor of the future than Science. Ultimately, science and science fiction are complementary rather than competing fields.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Science does not lead itself to Political statements. Look at the last two presidential elections. According to the scientific polls, Hillary was the clear winner. Turned out otherwise. Trump was to be a shoe in over Bidden and that did not turn out either. It has been said that Science Fiction is a better predictor of the future than Science. Ultimately, science and science fiction are complementary rather than competing fields.

Public opinion polling isn't science. Those polls shouldn't be called "scientific", but if done right, "statistically sound polls".

 

[Halbhh]

Science does not lead itself to Political statements. Look at the last two presidential elections. According to the scientific polls, Hillary was the clear winner. Turned out otherwise. Trump was to be a shoe in over Bidden and that did not turn out either. It has been said that Science Fiction is a better predictor of the future than Science. Ultimately, science and science fiction are complementary rather than competing fields.

Polling to forecast election probability is statistical and probabilistic, and for example at best, outcomes that are projected to have a 10% chance of happening (if such an estimation is good quality) will happen occasionally. We did learn (at least according to fivethirtyeight and I think Nate Silverman in an interview if I recall from years ago) what factors they didn't estimate that well, which in fairness is only a normal ongoing process of trying to improve their modeling.

Yes, some science fiction, like that of Arthur Clarke, was pretty good at predicting things. Some hard science fiction writers aim to do just that as a goal, so of course shooting at a target, they will hit at times. I read Clarke as a youth. I also actually saw 2001: Space Odyssey the movie when it first came out in theaters, at a tender age, as a small child. That was quite well done, but it wasn't good for a little kid to see an AI murder someone in a sleeping pod! I'd have liked to have not seen that part at that age.

 

[Diamond72]

outcomes that are projected to have a 10% chance of happening (if such an estimation is good quality) will happen occasionally.

If you flip a fair coin 10 times, you can get 0 heads about 0.1% of the time, 1 head about 1% of the time, 2 heads about 4% of the time, 3 heads about 12% of the time, 4 heads about 21% of the time, and 5 heads about 25% of the time.

 

[Diamond72]

Public opinion polling isn't science. Those polls shouldn't be called "scientific", but if done right, "statistically sound polls".

While polling is not a hard science like physics or chemistry, it is considered a social science and can be conducted using scientific methods. My wife has a degree in Sociology. I would not take her on, she is pretty accurate. My aunt had a PhD in Sociology and that is a lot easier to deal with. Somewhere along the way they lose their ability to function in the real world. They get too use to their ivory tower.

 

[Hans Blaster]

While polling is not a hard science like physics or chemistry, it is considered a social science and can be conducted using scientific methods. My wife has a degree in Sociology. I would not take her on, she is pretty accurate. My aunt had a PhD in Sociology and that is a lot easier to deal with. Somewhere along the way they lose their ability to function in the real world. They get too use to their ivory tower.

Polling is a TOOL used in some social "sciences" (not actual sciences).

 

[Diamond72]

Polling is a TOOL used in some social "sciences" (not actual sciences).

Or maybe it is just a scam to manipulate people and sell newspapers.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Or maybe it is just a scam to manipulate people and sell newspapers.

Huh?