What does the left really stand for now?

[childeye 2]

I was so impacted by Griffin's left-right paradigm that I'm not sure "voting" at the federal level is worth much, in the sense that the elites pre-picked nominees are lined up before us to select from so no matter which one we choose, we've chosen their person. I've heard the best approach now is local politics.

Local politics are important, but united is better than divided.

I find the presented left/right paradigm to be subjective and unsound to reason upon. The depiction is utter speculation derived through the bias of social media. That is why it's cynical rather than objective.

 

[Rachel20]

I’m not yet seeing the (IMO) required Nationalism mythos that must proceed a fascist state; the right is still wedded to the “individual freedom” mantra that would have to disappear (or be greatly curtailed) under a fascist regime and require adherence to the Nationalist mythos.

Which is why it isn't really left/right but collectivism/individualism. Fascists and Communists both are collectivists in their idealogy. The right in America are individualists.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

 

[Rachel20]

I find the presented left/right paradigm to be invalid. The depiction is utter speculation formed in the bias of social media. There is no objective statement in the entire interview, and it's all cynicism.

Not sure you saw the same statement by Griffin? He talks about the "surface" stuff that is presented to show a supposed difference in the parties. Things that don't really impact us where we live, but keep us fighting each other though neither of us will gain anything. But then, underneath the surface are the ideologies the two parties share in common and move the country toward. They don't talk about these things because they're agreed upon them. Things which have far greater impact on us. As examples, he gave the new world order (both parties are for it) and dominance by the banking system (Obama bailed out the banks, not the people, remember?). He also tossed in war in the Middle East. These are objective tests - things you can observe for yourself. I've also seen other things - both parties grow government, are for trade agreements that hurt the Americans, never fix the border problems, etc...

 

[durangodawood]

Which is why it isn't really left/right but collectivism/individualism. Fascists and Communists both are collectivists in their idealogy. The right in America are individualists.

I saw a lot of fascism on display from the right. From Putin and Trump strongman worship to the adoption of militarist styles and attitudes.

I didnt see a huge difference in individualism between left and right recently. What do you observe there?

 

[d taylor]

By the same token I see the right wanting a fascist government dictatorial rule. Ideally were all government officials are conservative and will control the citizens from a position of We (conservatives) are of proper morals and know what everyone should do think and believe, minorities need to be kept in their places and away from good people so everyone follow our agenda/rule.

Lets take the last 10 years what has been moved to the far right concerning government and what has been moved to the far left concerning government. Sure seems like minorities have been on the receiving end of more legislation passed in their favor. Mississippi has has had both the state flag and state song changed


That is definitely, not happening the country will gradually ease into more government control. More than likely that will be done with the help of science. In areas like climate change and technology used to a greater extent in monitoring people.

 

[childeye 2]

Not sure you saw the same statement by Griffin? He talks about the "surface" stuff that is presented to show a supposed difference in the parties. Things that don't really impact us where we live, but keep us fighting each other though neither of us will gain anything.

Which is cynicism manifesting in social media.

But then, underneath the surface are the ideologies the two parties share in common and move the country toward. They don't talk about these things because they're agreed upon them. Things which have far greater impact on us. As examples, he gave the new world order (both parties are for it) and dominance by the banking system (Obama bailed out the banks, not the people, remember?). He also tossed in war in the Middle East. These are objective tests - things you can observe for yourself. I've also seen other things - both parties grow government, are for trade agreements that hurt the Americans, never fix the border problems, etc...

I disagree with that characterization of events. You or I cannot prove or disprove any claim of what might have been.

How would you describe these two Left/Right ideologies that people agree on as presented in the interview?

As a reminder: All things work to good for those who Love God and there is nothing new under the sun.

 

[BPPLEE]

That's one of the major sea changes from my viewpoint. They've become hard-line authoritarians. That can't end well for anyone, including them.

If the current administration is representative of the left then it seems that they care more about ideology than the will of the people

 

[Rachel20]

I saw a lot of fascism on display from the right. From Putin and Trump strongman worship to the adoption of militarist styles and attitudes.

I saw the same thing with Obama worship and adoption of violent activist attitudes with Antifa.

I didnt see a huge difference in individualism between left and right recently. What do you observe there?

Yes, among the establishment politicians anyway. I don't recall many R speaking out against the jab mandates, for example, and that was very disturbing to me. While Trump advocated the "right to try" for dying patients, neither party seemed to care during Covid that patients were being force-treated with treatments they didn't want (Remdesivir) and denied treatments they wanted. The whole shaming of the unvaxxed was based on collectivism - ie "you're selfish".

 

[Rachel20]

If the current administration is representative of the left then it seems that they care more about ideology than the will of the people

Yes, like the high gas prices killing Americans living paycheck-to-paycheck because "we're fighting for the liberal world order".

 

[Rachel20]

Which is cynicism manifesting in social media.

Actually he's an author that was writing about these things before social media even existed.

How would you describe these two Left/Right ideologies that people agree on as presented in the interview?

Glad you asked. I'll find the video and post it here.

 

[durangodawood]

I saw the same thing with Obama worship and adoption of violent activist attitudes with Antifa.



Yes, among the establishment politicians anyway. I don't recall many R speaking out against the jab mandates, for example, and that was very disturbing to me. While Trump advocated the "right to try" for dying patients, neither party seemed to care during Covid that patients were being force-treated with treatments they didn't want (Remdesivir) and denied treatments they wanted. The whole shaming of the unvaxxed was based on collectivism - ie "you're selfish".

Antifa.

No offense, but in the context of reality, Antifa is a tiny nothing. Its amazing how people were trained up to make this huge thing out of Antifa.

 

[Rachel20]

Antifa.

No offense, but in the context of reality, Antifa is a tiny nothing. Its amazing how people were trained up to make this huge thing out of Antifa.

Antifa is now nothing. They're the ones that "collapsed so dramatically" in the interviewer's question imo -

PC: I have spent a lot of time trying to work out exactly why the left/anarchist scene collapsed so dramatically as a force for resistance in the Spring of 2020. Do you have any thoughts on this?

 

[durangodawood]

Antifa is now nothing. They're the ones that "collapsed so dramatically" in the interviewer's question imo -

PC: I have spent a lot of time trying to work out exactly why the left/anarchist scene collapsed so dramatically as a force for resistance in the Spring of 2020. Do you have any thoughts on this?

Antifa never was significant. Nor were Portland style anarchists.

Distractions good for keeping our gaze away from what really matters.

 

[childeye 2]

Actually he's an author that was writing about these things before social media even existed.

Okay, but the interview spoke of Covid as a hoax.

Glad you asked. I'll find the video and post it here.

This is the paradigm presented collectivism/individualism. He is biased against vaccinations because he views it as collectivism. What he should be asking is, was Covid real and deadly to some, and were the vaccinations effective in decreasing hospitalizations and death from covid?

There are both good and bad scenarios, where it benefits the individual to be part of a collective and when it benefits the collective to be individualists. It's easily lost in semantics.

 

[SilverBear]

See, the lies just keep coming from the left. As long as you keep lying about us there is little to come together on.

I clearly stated it was my personal opinion and basically copied d taylor's personal opinion. Is d tayolr a liar as well?

 

[SilverBear]

I’m not yet seeing the (IMO) required Nationalism mythos that must proceed a fascist state; the right is still wedded to the “individual freedom” mantra that would have to disappear (or be greatly curtailed) under a fascist regime and require adherence to the Nationalist mythos.

the chanting of support for individual freedom in is very different from what is being done by the right. Look at what is going on in Florida and Texas and the state mandating what philosophies and history can and can't be taught for example

 

[SilverBear]

Lets take the last 10 years what has been moved to the far right concerning government and what has been moved to the far left concerning government. Sure seems like minorities have been on the receiving end of more legislation passed in their favor. Mississippi has has had both the state flag and state song changed


That is definitely, not happening the country will gradually ease into more government control. More than likely that will be done with the help of science. In areas like climate change and technology used to a greater extent in monitoring people.

South Carolina just based legislation saying medical professionals don't have to treat or care for members of minorities
In the last year 19 states have enacted laws restricting the rights of minorities to vote.
Across the country over 400 anti LGBT laws have been introduced into state legislatures including laws restricting the rights of minorities to apply for adoption or foster care. Legal protections for business that discriminate against minority customers and the forcible outing of LGBT youth by school employees
Virginia's governor just vetoes a bill protecting employers from litigation for employment discrimination

 

[rjs330]

Is this about right?

Of course it is not that simple, not that binary. It is more like a spectrum.

Not quite.

Particularly three and four.

Liberal-
Reducing income equality by taxing the rich and income redistribution.

Conservative-
Promoting the private sector for growth to give more opportunities for people to succeed economically.

Liberals-part 4 I would say equity not equality and they believe in authority of government. Their freedom primarily leans toward liberal freedoms of progressive or left wing ideologies in the social sector. They do not believe in the freedom of the individual unless it is within the realm of that ideology.

Conservative-
Believe in equality not equity. Conservatives do not believe in authority in a governmental sense. Smaller government with less power is good. They do believe in some authority. Like laws and bosses. They believe in the freedom of the individual. A more live and let live philosophy. Don't make me accept and alter my life in order to satisfy your ideology.

 

[rjs330]

the chanting of support for individual freedom in is very different from what is being done by the right. Look at what is going on in Florida and Texas and the state mandating what philosophies and history can and can't be taught for example

Simply because the left wing philosophies and ideology are being shoved down our kids throats without our knowledge. Interfering with parental rights to instill the values of their choice I to their kids. Also the educational system has been cooped with leftist ideology bent on teaching a false history.