What does "quiverfull" mean to you?

[ACADEMIC]

Are Quiverfull Christian more yielded to God than Christians who are not and choose to use, say, barrier methods to plan their family and limit the number of their children? In other words, have Quiverfull Christians achieved a higher level of spiritual maturity than those who are not? In other words again, is QF a sort of "doorway" or way to enter into a level of spiritual maturity that is unavailable to non-QF fertile Christians? Is QF a higher calling than not being QF?

Does that clarify what I am asking?

Also, could you explain what specifically you mean by "vitalism" and "mechanism" as applied to QF?

Thanks.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are Quiverfull Christian more yielded to God than Christians who are not and choose to use, say, barrier methods to plan their family and limit the number of their children? In other words, have Quiverfull Christians reached a higher level of spiritual maturity than those who are not?

Does that clarify what I am asking?

Aside from abortifacients, method of contraception is irrelevant, spiritually speaking, more in the next section.

The question of who is more spiritually mature cannot be measured by response to a single issue, but rather the sum total of surrenders and the continuation to do so.

And there is no point in comparing our spiritual maturity. As long as we keep giving God what He asks for, when He asks for it, along with other acts of obedience/repentance [1 John 1:9], we are in good standing, per 1 John 3:24,

"Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them."

Also, could you explain what you mean by "vitalism" and "mechanism"?

Thanks.

Below each definition is how they apply to the nature of conception.

Mechanism, philosophical term referring to any concept that explains the universe solely as mechanical processes. Mechanism frequently involves the attempt to demonstrate that the universe is merely a vast system of motions. Mechanism is often used as a synonym for naturalism, the belief that nature is explained solely by the laws of chemistry and physics.

This view assumes that when a healthy sperm and ovum meet under favorable conditions, fertilization WILL occur and that the only control given to this process is to keep them from coming into contact by one means or another. This puts the responsibility for control onto the couple.

Vitalism, philosophy that living things possess a vital force that energizes them in a nonphysical, nonchemical manner. Vitalism is an aspect of the philosophy of idealism. Vitalists believe that biochemical investigations of life can never lead to an understanding of the ultimate nature of life because, by this definition, the vital force cannot be comprehended. See also Dualism; Teleology. Vitalists do not necessarily attribute the vital force to a creator or supernatural being, and vitalism is distinguished from organicism, the view that living organisms function as an interconnected whole.

Christian vitalist DO, of course, attribute the vital force to [the] Creator.

This view assumes that when a healthy sperm and ovum meet under favorable conditions AND God desires to create an individual, fertilization WILL occur, adding a third control factor to the mix.

This means the couple is only capable of offering their gametes to God in this process and cannot guarantee the outcome. It is an extension of Romans 12:1.

 

[Sabertooth]

This IS a forum for QF moms. Unfortunately someone came in here and started discussing/debating the rationale Behind being QF... And that is Not what this forum is supposed to be.

To: ACADEMIC
We should probably move this conversation to PMs so as not to further disrupt this thread.

 

[ACADEMIC]

Well, I think questions and answers to draw out what QF means to people, and restatement of those views for understanding's sake, is exactly the purpose of the thread.

At the heart level, you appear to believe that QF is a sort of special knowledge. Those with this special knowledge, QF adherents, are something of "a cut above" non-QF adherents. This is because, to use your own language and dualism, there is one distinct group you dub the "awakened to these truths" and another distinct group you dub the "unawakened [to these truths]". Any Christian who is "unawakened" to a supposed knowledge of God's ideal for childbearing that another Christian is "awakened" to is neccesarily less in that area by virtue of the knowledge the "awakened" has on the matter.

You appear to adhere to immediate divine creation and Providential Conception, which would mean you reject Traducianism. Traducianism, BTW, accepts a form of vitalism in the creation of the immaterial aspect of man. I do not think any Christian can rightly reject the immaterial nature of the spirit of man.

Care to explain your Biblical basis for "when a healthy sperm and ovum meet under favorable conditions AND God desires to create an individual, fertilization WILL occur, adding a third control factor to the mix"?

Also, assuming an in-vitro fertilization procedure is carried out with only one ovum at a time, do you view that as an acceptable method for a married couple to achieve pregnancy? If so, how long have you held this belief? If not, explain.